[Foundation-l] Advertisements? (core principles and variablemild principles)

[Martin Pascal]

Hello all,

Probably you never heard of me but i am the french editor of the
http://wikipediaondvd.com  and also of  http://wikiwix.com.

We are helping also OLPC for the Wikipedia Selection.

Wikiwix is one of meta search engine of all the project of the wikimedia
fundation, it is available in 13 languages, and is integrated on the
different languages.

We are working to put it in all the 250 languages of the Wikipedia.
http://www.wikiwix.com/langs.php?lang=fr&disp=article

What about using our technology to improve search results  and as an
opportunity to get some ads on Wikiwix ?


We could make Wikiwix as on opensearch engine.

Best regards
Pascal Martin

Cordialement
Martin Pascal
tel : 02 32 40 23 69, fax : 02 32 61 45 26
gsm : 06 13 89 77 32
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Florence Devouard" <Anthere9 at yahoo.com>
To: <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Advertisements? (core principles and 
variablemild principles)


> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
>> Please define "our core principles". There are people vehemently against
>> advertisements and there are many people cowered into silence. What has
>> always been said and this is a good thing is that if it is not necessary 
>> to
>> have advertisements, we will not. Equating no advertisements with core
>> principles is ludicrous; it means that others may make money from our 
>> effort
>> and we do not make the money we need for the activities we have planned, 
>> the
>> costs that we incur...
>
> Given that advertisements we are discussing would be displayed on the
> projects websites, I think that by "core principles", he means "core
> principles of each project".
>
> "NPOV" is clearly a core principle, for Wikipedia
> "Free licence" is clearly a core principle, for ALL projects
> "No advertisment" is clearly not a core principle. It may be a
> principle-by-precedence. I would call it a mild principle if you wish.
>
> Core principles on the english wikipedia:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_pillars_of_Wikipedia
>
> Note that core principles of each project can differ slightly.
> Note that core principles within a project, between languages, might
> even differ a bit as well. In particular for young projects.
>
> This might suggest that certain decisions might be taken for certain
> projects, but not others.
>
> Hmmm, care for me to give an example ?
>
> Search system on en.wiki:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search
> (no reference to outside search engines. No advertisement)
>
> Search system on fr.wiki:
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search
> (several little known search systems are mentionned, which is a sort of
> advertisement. However, display is pretty discreet).
>
> Search system on ja.wiki:
> http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=&fulltext=Search
> (several search systems are boldly mentionned, with logo. Clear
> advertisement for these huge rich search systems, without any bucks for
> us. After all, Mozilla is making big bucks in putting a search system
> for Google in Firefox. Here, we put a nice advertisement for Google for
> free)
>
> What does it teach us ?
>
> 1. It is demonstration enough that advertisement is a mild principle.
>
> 2. It also reveals that there are many types of advertisement possible,
> and that before taking a position for or against advertisement, it would
> be a good idea to identify the various types of advertisement.
> Typical examples are
> * ads in article space
> * ad for a search engine (in the search area)
> * ads in the search results space
> * thank you ad on the main page (for a sponsor)
> * thank you ad on all pages (for a sponsor)
> * etc...
> I take it some will mostly meet opposition, whilst others could be
> acceptable.
>
> 3. it is a demonstration that we are currently doing advertisement, and
> not making bucks on it. And no one complains. So, what does bugs people
> the most ? Doing advertisement ? Or doing advertisement and making money
> of it ?
>
> 4. it also shows that each community might have a different perspective
> on this. With naturally a general opinion (would english editors care if
> we displayed advertisement on the japanese wikipedia ?)
>
> Ant
>
>
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