[Foundation-l] Status of cloak requests

Dan Rosenthal swatjester at gmail.com
Tue Feb 26 21:48:52 UTC 2008

Actually, freenode is the only network I know that does that. For the  
same reasons you view a network setup with perma-ops and long bans as  
stupid, I view Freenode's setup that invites drama, and attacks and  
hinders ops, as stupid. Every other IRC network I've been on, from big  
ones of the EFnet/Undernet type, to smaller ones, the ops are always  
opped so they are a) easily identifiable and we don't need a special  
channel just to present issues to them; b) able to receive the benefit  
of commands like /onotice, c) much faster to react to !kb a user (all  
an opped user needs to do is type !kb name, or right click , kickban,  
rather than /msg chanserv for ops, kick the user, deop self), d) It  
shows to flooder types that there are ops in that channel,  
discouraging attacks. For much the same reason, bans last for periods  
of a few weeks unless specifically overturned, rather than banning  
people and then allowing them back in a few days later to cause more  

On Feb 26, 2008, at 3:37 PM, John Reaves wrote:

> Catalyzing is bit lame some times, I'll give you that.  But being  
> opped all
> of the time and keeping bans for longer than a few days for people  
> without a
> history of abuse is just plain stupid and I would assume any IRC  
> network set
> up by WMF wouldn't allow it either.

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