[Foundation-l] Status of cloak requests

John Reaves johnreaveswp at gmail.com
Tue Feb 26 21:58:32 UTC 2008

Well most of our bans are just zombie proxies, or whatever they're called,
so there's no real need for a long ban.  Persistent trouble makers have
longer expiries or are added to the autorem.  It takes what, maybe .5
seconds to type your /cs op shortcut?  I for one can just click a nick and
op/remove/ban/deop in one fell swoop.  Discussing operator issues in channel
just invites drama.  I don't know what /onnotice is but it sounds useful.

--John Reaves

On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Dan Rosenthal <swatjester at gmail.com> wrote:

> Actually, freenode is the only network I know that does that. For the
> same reasons you view a network setup with perma-ops and long bans as
> stupid, I view Freenode's setup that invites drama, and attacks and
> hinders ops, as stupid. Every other IRC network I've been on, from big
> ones of the EFnet/Undernet type, to smaller ones, the ops are always
> opped so they are a) easily identifiable and we don't need a special
> channel just to present issues to them; b) able to receive the benefit
> of commands like /onotice, c) much faster to react to !kb a user (all
> an opped user needs to do is type !kb name, or right click , kickban,
> rather than /msg chanserv for ops, kick the user, deop self), d) It
> shows to flooder types that there are ops in that channel,
> discouraging attacks. For much the same reason, bans last for periods
> of a few weeks unless specifically overturned, rather than banning
> people and then allowing them back in a few days later to cause more
> trouble.
> On Feb 26, 2008, at 3:37 PM, John Reaves wrote:
> > Catalyzing is bit lame some times, I'll give you that.  But being
> > opped all
> > of the time and keeping bans for longer than a few days for people
> > without a
> > history of abuse is just plain stupid and I would assume any IRC
> > network set
> > up by WMF wouldn't allow it either.
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