[Foundation-l] Reply to Mark

Dan Rosenthal swatjester at gmail.com
Tue Feb 26 14:09:38 UTC 2008


I thought about it, and given that at least Florence is aware of our  
concerns now, there's probably not a whole lot more to discuss about  
this until after the board meeting (or rather, after the board  
meeting's results are published/announced). My hope is that they will  
discuss it there, and it will address your final sentence ("IF and  
WHEN..."), and we can resume the discussion then more productively. I  
believe the board meeting is this weekend? So most likely we will see  
some sort of announcement during the week immediately subsequent.

On Feb 26, 2008, at 8:41 AM, Mark Williamson wrote:

> I agree with Gatto Nero that this is an issue. As a gay man, this all
> concerns me very much. The way that peoples' concerns have been pushed
> aside is inappropriate at best.
> Peoples' concerns should be addressed in a respectful way. If it is
> not possible or a reasonable suggestion anymore to change the venue,
> people will understand this, IF and WHEN you show some care for their
> safety and address it in detail.
> Mark
> On 26/02/2008, Gatto Nero <gattonero at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, Feb 26, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Ray Saintonge  
>> <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
>>>> So we can just not go to Wikimania, or we can decide that the  
>>>> benefits
>>>> for us outweigh the risks. It is a tough decision, but we will  
>>>> have to
>>>> make it. And if we don't go this year, we can show up next year, or
>>>> the one after that.
>>> Thank you for being realistic  At some point a decision has to be  
>>> made,
>>> and we can't afford to look back on the decision with regrets.  We  
>>> can't
>>> build a good conference if the organizers' time is so taken up by
>>> rear-guard actions.  The Toronto people could not have been very  
>>> happy
>>> when Boston won with a late bid.  The Turin people were upset when  
>>> they
>>> lost to Taipei.  I personally favour Buenos Aires for 2009, but  
>>> I'm not
>>> going to make an issue of it if another city gets that Wikimania.
>> Don't combine apples and oranges (we say so in Italy): don't reopen
>> all the "other wikimanias" issues, it's better.
>> By the way, I'm sorry to read - again - that people complaining about
>> their safety (or the way WMF faced some problems like "freedom of
>> speech", "freedom of thought" or "freedom of sexuality") are simply
>> "irrealistic".
>> Next step is "they're troll" (yet said by someone, thanks).
>> Is this respect?
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