[Foundation-l] Ancient

Mark Williamson node.ue at gmail.com
Mon Apr 14 09:50:13 UTC 2008


So somebody else has good reasons, and for that reason you do not
think your e-mails should be public? I'm sorry, but I really don't
follow. Perhaps there is a misunderstanding here?

Mark

On 14/04/2008, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
>  There is another member has really important reasons why the e-mail needs to
>  be private. A person that has an expertise that we really need. I am of the
>  opinion that it is as a consequence not a good idea to make our mail public
>  and this is reason enough for my mail not to be made public.
>  Thanks,
>     GerardM
>
>
>  On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 11:29 AM, Mark Williamson <node.ue at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > One thing I appreciate about Jesse Martin's activities in the language
>  > committee is that he aims for transparency. It seems every member of
>  > the subcommittee - besides Gerard M. -  has agreed to the public
>  > archival of their messages.
>  >
>  > However, I am certainly curious, Jesse has characterized working for
>  > the LC as fraught with lengthy discussions... where?
>  >
>  > I can see that Jesse has done a lot of work, but looking here:
>  >
>  > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_subcommittee/Archives/2008-02
>  >
>  > It appears that the vast majority of the posts come from Jesse or
>  > Gerard, with some additional opinions from Sabine and Berto, but most
>  > members seem to just chime in to concur with proposals or object.
>  >
>  > I'm not trying to say that members should not be weighing in more with
>  > their own opinions, but rather that if you consider the average
>  > contribution to discussions of anybody besides Jesse and Gerard, it
>  > seems rather easy a job.
>  >
>  > Perhaps Jesse is detailing his own experience.
>  >
>  > Mark
>  >
>  > On 14/04/2008, Brian McNeil <brian.mcneil at wikinewsie.org> wrote:
>  > > This perhaps might be better stated as Dovi wishing to see more LangCom
>  > >  people active here, although from Jesse's comments that might make the
>  > >  entire process too onerous for committee members.
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  Brian
>  > >
>  > >
>  > >  -----Original Message-----
>  > >  From: foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
>  > >
>  > > [mailto:foundation-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Mark
>  > >  Williamson
>  > >  Sent: 14 April 2008 05:02
>  > >  To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List
>  > >  Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Ancient
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > >  anyone other than yourself has a valid argument. You assert that the
>  > >  basis
>  > >  >  for your position is the unstated guidelines to which the language
>  > >  committee
>  > >  >  allegedly works.
>  > >
>  > >  It is worth noting that in Gerard M's (he got angry last time I used
>  > >  his surname, even though it is used in some ML messages) many months
>  > >  of doing this in many messages, Jesse Martin, another member of the
>  > >  committee, has often challenged his interpretation of the guidelines,
>  > >  or suggested that he was expressing his own opinion as if it were a
>  > >  guideline.
>  > >
>  > >  Gerard, Dovi asked you how membership is decided. Dovi said, and I
>  > >  quote: "I would like to see more voices and greater diversity of
>  > >  opinion on it", which to me implies Dovi would like to see more
>  > >  members, though not necessarily him/herself.
>  > >
>  > >  Mark
>  > >
>  > >
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