[Foundation-l] Creative Commons CC-BY-SA Draft Statement of Intent

[Pharos]

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 5:56 AM, Gerard Meijssen
<gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hoi,
>  When you insist on the enforcement of "share alike" in the strongest
>  possible way, you prevent mashing and collaboration. You prevent the use of
>  material in academic papers. In this way the medicine that are free and open
>  licenses is as bad as what it is to cure; restrictive licenses and
>  restrictive practices.
>
>  Obviously it is a choice, it may even be your choice but you *are *replacing
>  restrictive practices with restrictive practices..
>  Thanks,
>       GerardM

Yeah, and we earn a lot of good will from journalists because they are
grateful that Wikimedia offers free photos, and this introduces them
to the concept of free content as well.

I talked with a young journalist at one of our events in  New York
this Friday, and this was very much a reason she appreciated
Wikimedia, because the wonder of free content helps her everyday in
her job.

Imagine the potential attitude of a journalist like that, used to
interacting with free content on a regular basis, when she has a
mature journalism career, and maybe a position of editorial authority
in a few years.

Now imagine us telling her free content is over for her, that
Wikimedia is no longer interested in helping journalists unless they
fulfill our strict ideological requirements.

Then her experience with free content comes to a sudden stop, and the
whole concept seems like a brief fad that is no longer relevant to her
carreer.  Do you think she will have the same positive attitude toward
Wikimedia and free content when she becomes an editor then?

Thanks,
Pharos

>  On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:43 AM, geni <geniice at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>  > On 06/04/2008, Pharos <pharosofalexandria at gmail.com> wrote:
>  > > On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 10:34 PM, Erik Moeller <erik at wikimedia.org>
>  > wrote:
>  > >
>  > > >  We are continuing our conversations about that particular aspect, and
>  > >  >  my personal hope is that we will figure out a way to clearly state
>  > >  >  through the license that adaptations such as a picture embedded into
>  > a
>  > >  >  newspaper article trigger the share-alike clause, i.e. the newspaper
>  > >  >  article would be CC-BY-SA licensed. (Or, as I would argue, in those
>  > >  >  particular cases, any other DFCW compliant license.)
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Have you at all considered the practical effect of such a redefinition?
>  > >
>  > >  The day such a redefinition is passed will not be the day that the
>  > >  world media suddenly shifts over to free content all-of-a-sudden in
>  > >  glorious revolution.
>  > >
>  > >  No, that will be the day when they stop using free-licensed photos at
>  > all.
>  > >
>  > >  Thanks,
>  > >
>  > > Pharos
>  >
>  > In the short term yes. But then Microsoft don't use gnu based stuff
>  > and Linux still ticks over. The argument is that incidental use of
>  > free images in non free text doesn't gain us anything anyway. However
>  > by using strong copyleft we can perhaps get free text releases from
>  > the likes of university and school newspapers. Perhaps society
>  > magazines rather than trying to target the top end and not getting
>  > much to show for it.
>  >
>  > Of course there is a new scientist article under a free license
>  > somewhere. It is under a free license so they could include a copy of
>  > a recipe for free cola.
>  >
>  >
>  > --
>  > geni
>  >
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