[Foundation-l] [foundation-l] Open proxies an interwiki matter

[Casey Brown]

Two options:
* Add a "shut-off" for that block on the local wiki (like spam
whitelist) --> bad solution, more work for devs, tool probably won't get
implemented that way.
* Trust the stewards to do what they need to do, a block would not be used
for long, and it is only in cases of vandal bots or other extreme cases of
vandalism that stewards would intervene on.  It is no different from the
current situtation (they sysop themselves on that wiki, block the user &
delete his mess), it's just easier on the stewards to do it this way.


On 9/9/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Effeietsanders what about the local communities? If a local community
> disagrees with a global ban how will we handle it?
>
> On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yup, that's what I was referring to. ;-)
> >
> > On 9/9/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I can imagine some better defenses against spambots, such as
> > > crosswiki-nuke
> > > and crosswiki-blocks :) (i.e. a steward could block for *all*
> wikimedia
> > > wiki's at the same time an IP) Requests have been made already, so if
> > > someone with coding abilities could take a look at it, please :) See
> > > http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11069 and
> > > http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 .
> > >
> > > Eia
> > >
> > > 2007/9/9, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml at gmail.com>:
> > > >
> > > > Ah, I see what you mean now. :-)
> > > >
> > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before
> > > anyone
> > > > > brought it up. :)
> > > > >
> > > > >    - White Cat
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking
> > > > > > themselves...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev
> > blocks
> > > > are
> > > > > > not
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > solution, devs have far more important things to do and
> blocking
> > > > open
> > > > > > > proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on
> my
> > to
> > > > do
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > > if I were a dev.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >   - White Cat
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > I think we really need to have some automation in dealing
> > with
> > > > > > these.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such as
> > the
> > > > > > Chinese
> > > > > > > > > wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a more
> > > > > centralized
> > > > > > > > block
> > > > > > > > > on open proxies.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an
> open
> > > > proxy?
> > > > > > How
> > > > > > > > > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script to
> > > > preform
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > task.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a
> > centralized
> > > > > meta
> > > > > > > page
> > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > open proxy blocks.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >    - White Cat
> > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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> > > > > > > > > foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
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> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This discussion is completely premature.  Last I checked,
> the
> > > > 'Open
> > > > > > > > proxies' page on meta was removed from its state of
> > > > > ''policy''.  What
> > > > > > > > you are talking about is surely doable, but we do not have a
> > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > on if to block OPs, let alone which types of proxies or what
> > > type
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > block.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Another solution to the problem you bring up would be
> > cross-wiki
> > > > > > > > blocking by a certain user group like stewards.  It would
> stop
> > > any
> > > > > > > > vandal-script globally for a short amount of time. (vandals
> > > rarely
> > > > > use
> > > > > > > > the same proxy twice).
> > > > > > > >
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