[Foundation-l] [foundation-l] Open proxies an interwiki matter

[effe iets anders]

I think that this tool would be used only if there is a current case of
crosswiki-vandalism, and not because we don't like them. In a perfect world,
a community could opt out of course, but atm this is crisis management tools
:)

BR, Eia

2007/9/9, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml op gmail.com>:
>
> Two options:
> * Add a "shut-off" for that block on the local wiki (like spam
> whitelist) --> bad solution, more work for devs, tool probably won't get
> implemented that way.
> * Trust the stewards to do what they need to do, a block would not be used
> for long, and it is only in cases of vandal bots or other extreme cases of
> vandalism that stewards would intervene on.  It is no different from the
> current situtation (they sysop themselves on that wiki, block the user &
> delete his mess), it's just easier on the stewards to do it this way.
>
>
> On 9/9/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko op gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Effeietsanders what about the local communities? If a local community
> > disagrees with a global ban how will we handle it?
> >
> > On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml op gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Yup, that's what I was referring to. ;-)
> > >
> > > On 9/9/07, effe iets anders <effeietsanders op gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can imagine some better defenses against spambots, such as
> > > > crosswiki-nuke
> > > > and crosswiki-blocks :) (i.e. a steward could block for *all*
> > wikimedia
> > > > wiki's at the same time an IP) Requests have been made already, so
> if
> > > > someone with coding abilities could take a look at it, please :) See
> > > > http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11069 and
> > > > http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8707 .
> > > >
> > > > Eia
> > > >
> > > > 2007/9/9, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml op gmail.com>:
> > > > >
> > > > > Ah, I see what you mean now. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko op gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, I know. Thats the current process. I commented on it before
> > > > anyone
> > > > > > brought it up. :)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >    - White Cat
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 9/9/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml op gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I said nothing in my post about developers doing the blocking
> > > > > > > themselves...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko op gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Indeed. We are defenseless right now and I dislike it. Dev
> > > blocks
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > not
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > solution, devs have far more important things to do and
> > blocking
> > > > > open
> > > > > > > > proxies would come after "watching empty walls aimlessly" on
> > my
> > > to
> > > > > do
> > > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > if I were a dev.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >   - White Cat
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 9/8/07, Casey Brown <cbrown1023.ml op gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 9/8/07, White Cat <wikipedia.kawaii.neko op gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I think we really need to have some automation in
> dealing
> > > with
> > > > > > > these.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Granted there are notable exceptions on some wikis such
> as
> > > the
> > > > > > > Chinese
> > > > > > > > > > wikis, but for every other wiki there needs to be a more
> > > > > > centralized
> > > > > > > > > block
> > > > > > > > > > on open proxies.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > How likely is an average person to edit a wiki from an
> > open
> > > > > proxy?
> > > > > > > How
> > > > > > > > > > likely is a spam bot or some destructive vandal script
> to
> > > > > preform
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > task.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think a solution could be like the spam list - a
> > > centralized
> > > > > > meta
> > > > > > > > page
> > > > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > > > open proxy blocks.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >    - White Cat
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This discussion is completely premature.  Last I checked,
> > the
> > > > > 'Open
> > > > > > > > > proxies' page on meta was removed from its state of
> > > > > > ''policy''.  What
> > > > > > > > > you are talking about is surely doable, but we do not have
> a
> > > > > > consensus
> > > > > > > > > on if to block OPs, let alone which types of proxies or
> what
> > > > type
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > block.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Another solution to the problem you bring up would be
> > > cross-wiki
> > > > > > > > > blocking by a certain user group like stewards.  It would
> > stop
> > > > any
> > > > > > > > > vandal-script globally for a short amount of time.
> (vandals
> > > > rarely
> > > > > > use
> > > > > > > > > the same proxy twice).
> > > > > > > > >
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