[Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week

effe iets anders effeietsanders at gmail.com
Thu Jan 11 20:35:17 UTC 2007

It is better to have no picture at all then a non-free picture, as that
non-free picture is shaking the fundaments on which Wikipedia and of course
the other wikimedia-projects is built. What would wikipedia be without a
free license?

Some time ago there was no free text available either in the context of
wikipedia. That has changed. With pictures it will change as well.

I would like to say as well that a lot of times institutions claim rights on
the area of copyright they do *not* have. That is of course understandable,
they want to stay in control. I would advice the italian community to seek
advice from experts (maybe that could be done by the foundation or wikimedia
italia?) to find our whether these claims are justifyable and whether they
will stand in court as well. You prooved today that it is indeed important
to have that found out. And maybe it would be better to loose a case in test
tryal in court on this as to be incertain forever. I dont know, i leave that
up to the legal department. but maybe we should just consider.


2007/1/11, senpai <wikisenpai op gmail.com>:
> It's the only way to have some images in the italian articles. We have a
> lot
> of restrictive legislations and we can't use the fair use. For example, we
> can go in a museum and take some pictures of a painting but, we can't
> publish into wikipedia without the permission of the "sovraintendenza ai
> beni culturali"; some days ago the "sovraintendenza ai beni culturali" of
> florance have threated us for the photos of some painting and ohter kind
> of
> arts taked into the florence's museums; perhaps will be a problem also for
> commons.
> This is the situation, we don't want to remove all the images that are
> into
> the databases becous often a picture is essenctial to understand or to
> describe a particular concept.
> Senpai
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jimmy Wales" <jwales op wikia.com>
> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l op lists.wikimedia.org>
> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week
> > Marco Chiesa wrote:
> >> Brianna Laugher wrote:
> >>
> >>> No projects allow NC, do they? English Wikipedia hasn't allowed them
> >>> for some time.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> The Italian language wikipedia allows a plethora of  licenses for
> >> images, included NC, copyrighted with permission (we ask the copyright
> >> owner to mail OTRS for this) and some cases of fairuse as allowed by
> the
> >> Italian law. We do also allow PD images with are not allowed on
> commons.
> >
> > I am sorry to hear this, because this is a violation of Wikimedia
> > Foundation policy.  From day one, we have been the *free* encyclopedia.
> >
> > The Italian community needs to work out a transitional policy to correct
> > this problem... it will take time and a lot of work, and you will have
> > to be gentle with people, but it is just not acceptable to have those
> > images in wikipedia in the long run.
> >
> > --Jimbo
> >
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