[Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week

[senpai]

I studied deep and deep the italian legislation about copyright (i work in a 
legal office) and our law it's really hard to pass. The civil law have a 
completely different "modus operandi" by the common law. Other thing... in 
en.wiki u use fair use... but fair use it's not "free" and it's not usable 
in every country.

Senpai

----- Original Message -----
From: "effe iets anders" <effeietsanders a gmail.com>
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Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:35 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week

> It is better to have no picture at all then a non-free picture, as that
> non-free picture is shaking the fundaments on which Wikipedia and of 
> course
> the other wikimedia-projects is built. What would wikipedia be without a
> free license?
>
> Some time ago there was no free text available either in the context of
> wikipedia. That has changed. With pictures it will change as well.
>
> I would like to say as well that a lot of times institutions claim rights 
> on
> the area of copyright they do *not* have. That is of course 
> understandable,
> they want to stay in control. I would advice the italian community to seek
> advice from experts (maybe that could be done by the foundation or 
> wikimedia
> italia?) to find our whether these claims are justifyable and whether they
> will stand in court as well. You prooved today that it is indeed important
> to have that found out. And maybe it would be better to loose a case in 
> test
> tryal in court on this as to be incertain forever. I dont know, i leave 
> that
> up to the legal department. but maybe we should just consider.
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2007/1/11, senpai <wikisenpai a gmail.com>:
>>
>> It's the only way to have some images in the italian articles. We have a
>> lot
>> of restrictive legislations and we can't use the fair use. For example, 
>> we
>> can go in a museum and take some pictures of a painting but, we can't
>> publish into wikipedia without the permission of the "sovraintendenza ai
>> beni culturali"; some days ago the "sovraintendenza ai beni culturali" of
>> florance have threated us for the photos of some painting and ohter kind
>> of
>> arts taked into the florence's museums; perhaps will be a problem also 
>> for
>> commons.
>> This is the situation, we don't want to remove all the images that are
>> into
>> the databases becous often a picture is essenctial to understand or to
>> describe a particular concept.
>>
>> Senpai
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jimmy Wales" <jwales a wikia.com>
>> To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" 
>> <foundation-l a lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 8:58 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Board meeting in Rotterdam later this week
>>
>> > Marco Chiesa wrote:
>> >> Brianna Laugher wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> No projects allow NC, do they? English Wikipedia hasn't allowed them
>> >>> for some time.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >> The Italian language wikipedia allows a plethora of  licenses for
>> >> images, included NC, copyrighted with permission (we ask the copyright
>> >> owner to mail OTRS for this) and some cases of fairuse as allowed by
>> the
>> >> Italian law. We do also allow PD images with are not allowed on
>> commons.
>> >
>> > I am sorry to hear this, because this is a violation of Wikimedia
>> > Foundation policy.  From day one, we have been the *free* encyclopedia.
>> >
>> > The Italian community needs to work out a transitional policy to 
>> > correct
>> > this problem... it will take time and a lot of work, and you will have
>> > to be gentle with people, but it is just not acceptable to have those
>> > images in wikipedia in the long run.
>> >
>> > --Jimbo
>> >
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