[Foundation-l] This is not an Advertisement @ pgunn

Walter van Kalken walter at vankalken.net
Tue Jan 2 05:48:43 UTC 2007

Thanks for all you have done for the projects and good luck in your 
further endeavours!


>I reply specifically to Brion Vibber's message here:
>I find it very unfortunate that Brion characterises
>people like me, who have been on the project for many
>years, as being uncaring about our values. I care deeply
>about the project, and feel that accepting advertising,
>whether it be for brand identity or a specific product,
>as unacceptable. The Spanish wikipedia and the many users
>who have put userboxen against advertisements (as ironic
>as that is) on their userpages should've taught Brion
>(and others involved) that the values of the community
>*do* have a substantial number of people who will never
>accept this kind of thing. After reading some of the other
>comments on this list and chatting with a few folks, I
>understand that my concerns, while considered, will not be
>addressed. To me, Wikipedia (and related projects) are and
>must be noncommercial if I am to be involved - it is impossible
>to honestly educate with one hand while waving a billboard
>with the other.
>I greatly regret the wrong turn the community
>has made here, for it is not something I will live with and
>stay. Y'all may want to keep a close eye on the Spanish
>Wikipedia. Goodbye, all. You may do what you wish with my
>accounts - I have left a note on my LSS project (to summarise
>the foundation lists) that a new project head is needed.
>If y'all want to see it continue, someone needs to pick up
>the ball. Someone should take care of any OTRS replies I get.
>It's actually, other than the end, been a pleasure working
>with many of you - if any of you want to keep in touch,
>I'm just an e-mail or IM away. It reminds me of the last
>big social project I was on and how it slowly came to an end
>through commercial entanglement after being acquired:
>Pat Gunn
>mod: csna, bmcm, bmco, cooa, cona, clpd, coom
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