[Foundation-l] This is not an Advertisement @ pgunn

[James Hare]

We need to abandon the method of
let's-brag-about-our-matching-donors-in-the-god-damn-sitenotice as soon as
possible. It IS possible to thank them, but that's just too damn
advertisalicious.

We should also focus more on lobbying the kinds of folk that would not be
interested in being advertised, like Mr. Anonymo earlier in the fundraiser
or the UN.

If anything, do it for poor Improv here. We lost Improv because of money.
That's pathetic.

"It's not an advertisement, it's a thank you notice!" In other words... it's
not the truth :|, it's The Truth! :)

I am not leaving because my help is needed and I have a 1,000,000,000-year
contract to serve, but you really need to reconsider ways of getting
cash-money that don't involve pissing off the entire community. Not to
mention, that was real shit communication on your part, Wikimedia.

Let me know when you're ready to apologize.

On 1/2/07, Walter van Kalken <walter at vankalken.net> wrote:
>
> Thanks for all you have done for the projects and good luck in your
> further endeavours!
>
> Waerth
>
> >I reply specifically to Brion Vibber's message here:
> >
> >
> http://mail.wikipedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2006-December/012848.html
> >
> >
> >I find it very unfortunate that Brion characterises
> >people like me, who have been on the project for many
> >years, as being uncaring about our values. I care deeply
> >about the project, and feel that accepting advertising,
> >whether it be for brand identity or a specific product,
> >as unacceptable. The Spanish wikipedia and the many users
> >who have put userboxen against advertisements (as ironic
> >as that is) on their userpages should've taught Brion
> >(and others involved) that the values of the community
> >*do* have a substantial number of people who will never
> >accept this kind of thing. After reading some of the other
> >comments on this list and chatting with a few folks, I
> >understand that my concerns, while considered, will not be
> >addressed. To me, Wikipedia (and related projects) are and
> >must be noncommercial if I am to be involved - it is impossible
> >to honestly educate with one hand while waving a billboard
> >with the other.
> >
> >I greatly regret the wrong turn the community
> >has made here, for it is not something I will live with and
> >stay. Y'all may want to keep a close eye on the Spanish
> >Wikipedia. Goodbye, all. You may do what you wish with my
> >accounts - I have left a note on my LSS project (to summarise
> >the foundation lists) that a new project head is needed.
> >
> >http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/LSS
> >
> >If y'all want to see it continue, someone needs to pick up
> >the ball. Someone should take care of any OTRS replies I get.
> >
> >It's actually, other than the end, been a pleasure working
> >with many of you - if any of you want to keep in touch,
> >I'm just an e-mail or IM away. It reminds me of the last
> >big social project I was on and how it slowly came to an end
> >through commercial entanglement after being acquired:
> >
> >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NoWonder
> >
> >Goodbye.
> >
> >---
> >Pat Gunn
> >mod: csna, bmcm, bmco, cooa, cona, clpd, coom
> >http://dachte.org
> >
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