[Foundation-l] "Chinese Wikimania 2006 to be held in Hong Kong"

[R.O.C]

thank you very much for those friendly and supportive messages. it is great
to learn about WCN, which i think has similar goals as the chinese
conference. i think that these events are helpful, constructive, and
beneficial, and i believe that all the three conferences will be blessed.

regarding the chinese name, i see a similar case here in which "維基年會" might
have been misunderstood. "維基年會" is not and shall not be called "wikimania".
to put long explanations/reasons about the two languages short, here is the
cheat sheet:

"wikimania" = "維基媒體國際大會" (literally, "wikimedia international conference")
or if it'll be held annually "維基媒體國際年會" (literally, "wikimedia international
annual conference")

"wiki" = "圍紀" (similar pronunciation with "維基", literally "order and
organized by (working) together") or "維客"

"維基" functions as an adjective or defining noun, meaning any project
sponsored by wikimedia foundation, it is also used informally as a short
form of "維基百科" (wikipedia) or "中文維基百科" (chinese wikipedia). several chinese
users have warned that "維基" need to be treated as a trading name for
projects of wikimedia, and "wiki" should not be translated as "維基" (use "圍紀"
instead). the interwiki link in en.wikipedia seems misplaced.

"wikimedia" = "維基媒體"

"wikipedia" = "維基百科"

that being said, the "維基" in the name of chinese conference "中文維基年會" means
both wikipedia and wikimedia.

the reason why "chinese wikipedia conference" or "chinese wikipedian
conference" is disfavored is that, there are chinese projects on wikisource,
wikibooks, wikiquotes, wikitionary, wikispecies, and the recently opened
(yeah~~) wikinews. the conference will not limit topics on chinese
wikipedia, and contributors of the other projects are anticipated at the
conference, so they should be respected.

roc
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2006/3/16, SJ < 2.718281828 at gmail.com>:
>
> Hi Andrew,
>
> Thanks for the observations (hmm, a wiki annual meeting... we
> shouldn't forget that for most people, 'wiki' means Wikipedia).  Good
> luck with your move!
>
> --SJ
>
> PS -  Jakob: you're right about the magic of interwiki links...
>
>
> On 3/16/06, Andrew Lih < andrew.lih at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I apologize for not being able to jump in earlier to bridge the gap
> > between ZH users and the rest, since I've been done much of that in
> > the past. (I'm in the process of moving up to Beijing, so I've not
> > even been neglecting the mailing lists.)
> >
> > Here's some observations:
> >
> > - Hong Kong is an ideal location for the conference for now, since
> > it's accessible from Taiwan, PRC, Malaysia and Singapore, and there is
> > complete freedom of speech here.
> > - The name, if translated literally, for "中文維基年會" (zhong wen wei ji
> > nian hui) means "Chinese (language) Wiki Annual Meeting"
> > - I agree it's better not to use "Wikimania," as it's confusing
> > internally, and even moreso to outsiders. It's not Wikimania East or
> > Wikimania equivalent for the other side of the world. I would suggest
> > Chinese Wikimedia Conference or something of the like.
> > - Apologies again to many Taiwan, HK and PRC users who have contacted
> > me in the last few weeks for planning help, but have not had the time
> > to do so. After March 20, I will have more time to lend a hand.
> >
> > -Andrew
> >
> > On 3/17/06, Jakob Voss <jakob.voss at nichtich.de> wrote:
> > > R.O.C wrote:
> > >
> > > > 6.3) i hope that the community can help choosing an english
> translation for
> > > > the chinese name of conference, in accordance with foundation
> policies. the
> > > > chinese community/conference would like to seek the authorization
> for using
> > > > names/trademarks of the foundation, if needed. the name of the
> chinese
> > > > conference is "中文年維基會" (literally, "chinese language
> wikipedia/wikimedia
> > > > annual conference").
> > >
> > > Is it
> > >
> > >     chinese language wikipedia annual conference
> > > or chinese language wikimedia annual conference
> > > or chinese language wiki annual conference ?
> > >
> > > I don't know any Chinese but reading the interwikilinks there is:
> > >
> > > Wiki: 維基
> > > Wikipedia: 维基百科
> > > Wikimedia: 維基媒體
> > > Wikimania: 維基媒體國際大會
> > >
> > > IMHO you can create any names you want in Chinese - there is only a
> > > problem with the English translation:
> > >
> > > 維基年會 is not "Wikimania" but just call it
> > >
> > > "Chinese Wikipedia Conference" or "Chinese Wikimedia Conference".
> > >
> > > > 6.3.1) i personally prefer the name "chinese wikimedia conference"
> and would
> > > > like to know the procedures for seeking permissions from the
> foundation
> > > > regarding the use of "wikimedia". there is no local chapters serving
> chinese
> > > > projects at the moment (may not be any time soon either).
> > >
> > > Since there is no local Wikimedia chapter you better call it "Chinese
> > > Wikipedia Conference" because it's probably mostly about Wikipedia and
>
> > > you will have less problems with the name. "Wikimedia" sounds too
> > > official and will keep this discussion going on.
> > >
> > > > 6.4) as explained earlier, the english (or western) word of
> "wikimania" had
> > > > been interpreted and understood in chinese differently as it is
> supposed to
> > > > be. the organizers and chinese users have been informed at
> zh.wikipedia that
> > > > wikimania does not mean "wikimedia conference", but "international
> wikimedia
> > > > conference" (sponsored by wikimedia foundation); it is also a
> trading name
> > > > of wikimedia foundation instead of a generic term.
> > >
> > > Wikimania is a special conference organised by the Wikimedia
> Foundation.
> > > 維基年會 is not organised by the Wikimedia Foundation. So 維基年會 is
> > > not Wikimania.
> > >
> > > Proof (Reductio ad absurdum / 反證法)
> > >
> > > 1. Assume 維基年會 is Wikimania
> > > 2. Then 維基年會 is organised by the Wikimedia Foundation
> > > 3. But 維基年會 is not organised by the Wikimedia Foundation
> > >
> > > I must admit that maybe this logic argument only works in western
> > > philosophy ;-)
> > >
> > > > hope that this is helpful.
> > >
> > > Thanks a lot! Your language and thinking is very intersting but not
> easy
> > > to understand from the european point of view :-)
> > >
> > > Greetings,
> > > Jakob
> > >
> > > P.S: Wikipedia is so great! You can write mails with Chinese just
> using
> > > interwiki links :-)
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