[Foundation-l] "Chinese Wikimania 2006 to be held in Hong Kong"

[SJ]

Hi Andrew,

Thanks for the observations (hmm, a wiki annual meeting... we
shouldn't forget that for most people, 'wiki' means Wikipedia).  Good
luck with your move!

--SJ

PS -  Jakob: you're right about the magic of interwiki links...


On 3/16/06, Andrew Lih <andrew.lih at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I apologize for not being able to jump in earlier to bridge the gap
> between ZH users and the rest, since I've been done much of that in
> the past. (I'm in the process of moving up to Beijing, so I've not
> even been neglecting the mailing lists.)
>
> Here's some observations:
>
> - Hong Kong is an ideal location for the conference for now, since
> it's accessible from Taiwan, PRC, Malaysia and Singapore, and there is
> complete freedom of speech here.
> - The name, if translated literally, for "ÖÐÎľS»ùÄê•þ" (zhong wen wei ji
> nian hui) means "Chinese (language) Wiki Annual Meeting"
> - I agree it's better not to use "Wikimania," as it's confusing
> internally, and even moreso to outsiders. It's not Wikimania East or
> Wikimania equivalent for the other side of the world. I would suggest
> Chinese Wikimedia Conference or something of the like.
> - Apologies again to many Taiwan, HK and PRC users who have contacted
> me in the last few weeks for planning help, but have not had the time
> to do so. After March 20, I will have more time to lend a hand.
>
> -Andrew
>
> On 3/17/06, Jakob Voss <jakob.voss at nichtich.de> wrote:
> > R.O.C wrote:
> >
> > > 6.3) i hope that the community can help choosing an english translation for
> > > the chinese name of conference, in accordance with foundation policies. the
> > > chinese community/conference would like to seek the authorization for using
> > > names/trademarks of the foundation, if needed. the name of the chinese
> > > conference is "ÖÐÎÄÄê¾S»ù•þ" (literally, "chinese language wikipedia/wikimedia
> > > annual conference").
> >
> > Is it
> >
> >     chinese language wikipedia annual conference
> > or chinese language wikimedia annual conference
> > or chinese language wiki annual conference ?
> >
> > I don't know any Chinese but reading the interwikilinks there is:
> >
> > Wiki: ¾S»ù
> > Wikipedia: ά»ù°Ù¿Æ
> > Wikimedia: ¾S»ùýów
> > Wikimania: ¾S»ùýów‡øëH´ó•þ
> >
> > IMHO you can create any names you want in Chinese - there is only a
> > problem with the English translation:
> >
> > ¾S»ùÄê•þ is not "Wikimania" but just call it
> >
> > "Chinese Wikipedia Conference" or "Chinese Wikimedia Conference".
> >
> > > 6.3.1) i personally prefer the name "chinese wikimedia conference" and would
> > > like to know the procedures for seeking permissions from the foundation
> > > regarding the use of "wikimedia". there is no local chapters serving chinese
> > > projects at the moment (may not be any time soon either).
> >
> > Since there is no local Wikimedia chapter you better call it "Chinese
> > Wikipedia Conference" because it's probably mostly about Wikipedia and
> > you will have less problems with the name. "Wikimedia" sounds too
> > official and will keep this discussion going on.
> >
> > > 6.4) as explained earlier, the english (or western) word of "wikimania" had
> > > been interpreted and understood in chinese differently as it is supposed to
> > > be. the organizers and chinese users have been informed at zh.wikipedia that
> > > wikimania does not mean "wikimedia conference", but "international wikimedia
> > > conference" (sponsored by wikimedia foundation); it is also a trading name
> > > of wikimedia foundation instead of a generic term.
> >
> > Wikimania is a special conference organised by the Wikimedia Foundation.
> > ¾S»ùÄê•þ is not organised by the Wikimedia Foundation. So ¾S»ùÄê•þ is
> > not Wikimania.
> >
> > Proof (Reductio ad absurdum / ·´×C·¨)
> >
> > 1. Assume ¾S»ùÄê•þ is Wikimania
> > 2. Then ¾S»ùÄê•þ is organised by the Wikimedia Foundation
> > 3. But ¾S»ùÄê•þ is not organised by the Wikimedia Foundation
> >
> > I must admit that maybe this logic argument only works in western
> > philosophy ;-)
> >
> > > hope that this is helpful.
> >
> > Thanks a lot! Your language and thinking is very intersting but not easy
> > to understand from the european point of view :-)
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Jakob
> >
> > P.S: Wikipedia is so great! You can write mails with Chinese just using
> > interwiki links :-)
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