[Foundation-l] "Chinese Wikimania 2006 to be held in Hong Kong"

[Andrew Lih]

Hi all,

I apologize for not being able to jump in earlier to bridge the gap
between ZH users and the rest, since I've been done much of that in
the past. (I'm in the process of moving up to Beijing, so I've not
even been neglecting the mailing lists.)

Here's some observations:

- Hong Kong is an ideal location for the conference for now, since
it's accessible from Taiwan, PRC, Malaysia and Singapore, and there is
complete freedom of speech here.
- The name, if translated literally, for "ÖÐÎľS»ùÄê•þ" (zhong wen wei ji
nian hui) means "Chinese (language) Wiki Annual Meeting"
- I agree it's better not to use "Wikimania," as it's confusing
internally, and even moreso to outsiders. It's not Wikimania East or
Wikimania equivalent for the other side of the world. I would suggest
Chinese Wikimedia Conference or something of the like.
- Apologies again to many Taiwan, HK and PRC users who have contacted
me in the last few weeks for planning help, but have not had the time
to do so. After March 20, I will have more time to lend a hand.

-Andrew

On 3/17/06, Jakob Voss <jakob.voss at nichtich.de> wrote:
> R.O.C wrote:
>
> > 6.3) i hope that the community can help choosing an english translation for
> > the chinese name of conference, in accordance with foundation policies. the
> > chinese community/conference would like to seek the authorization for using
> > names/trademarks of the foundation, if needed. the name of the chinese
> > conference is "ÖÐÎÄÄê¾S»ù•þ" (literally, "chinese language wikipedia/wikimedia
> > annual conference").
>
> Is it
>
>     chinese language wikipedia annual conference
> or chinese language wikimedia annual conference
> or chinese language wiki annual conference ?
>
> I don't know any Chinese but reading the interwikilinks there is:
>
> Wiki: ¾S»ù
> Wikipedia: ά»ù°Ù¿Æ
> Wikimedia: ¾S»ùýów
> Wikimania: ¾S»ùýów‡øëH´ó•þ
>
> IMHO you can create any names you want in Chinese - there is only a
> problem with the English translation:
>
> ¾S»ùÄê•þ is not "Wikimania" but just call it
>
> "Chinese Wikipedia Conference" or "Chinese Wikimedia Conference".
>
> > 6.3.1) i personally prefer the name "chinese wikimedia conference" and would
> > like to know the procedures for seeking permissions from the foundation
> > regarding the use of "wikimedia". there is no local chapters serving chinese
> > projects at the moment (may not be any time soon either).
>
> Since there is no local Wikimedia chapter you better call it "Chinese
> Wikipedia Conference" because it's probably mostly about Wikipedia and
> you will have less problems with the name. "Wikimedia" sounds too
> official and will keep this discussion going on.
>
> > 6.4) as explained earlier, the english (or western) word of "wikimania" had
> > been interpreted and understood in chinese differently as it is supposed to
> > be. the organizers and chinese users have been informed at zh.wikipedia that
> > wikimania does not mean "wikimedia conference", but "international wikimedia
> > conference" (sponsored by wikimedia foundation); it is also a trading name
> > of wikimedia foundation instead of a generic term.
>
> Wikimania is a special conference organised by the Wikimedia Foundation.
> ¾S»ùÄê•þ is not organised by the Wikimedia Foundation. So ¾S»ùÄê•þ is
> not Wikimania.
>
> Proof (Reductio ad absurdum / ·´×C·¨)
>
> 1. Assume ¾S»ùÄê•þ is Wikimania
> 2. Then ¾S»ùÄê•þ is organised by the Wikimedia Foundation
> 3. But ¾S»ùÄê•þ is not organised by the Wikimedia Foundation
>
> I must admit that maybe this logic argument only works in western
> philosophy ;-)
>
> > hope that this is helpful.
>
> Thanks a lot! Your language and thinking is very intersting but not easy
> to understand from the european point of view :-)
>
> Greetings,
> Jakob
>
> P.S: Wikipedia is so great! You can write mails with Chinese just using
> interwiki links :-)
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