[Advocacy Advisors] freedom of panorama

Wed Jun 24 16:50:04 UTC 2015

Michael, I think you're right.

BUT I also think that all the headlines about "your holiday photographs 
are threatened" are not ideal,  because they give those who created the 
JURI text too easy a way to sidestep away and claim "you've 
misunderstood our proposal".

That's why personally I'd prefer the debate to centre on use that *is* 
unambiguously commercial (and for our own material to reflect that) -- 
and to win that debate on the grounds of freedom, access to knowledge, 
creativity, the "potentially damaging restriction of the debate about 
architecture and public space" as RIBA put it, and part of the very soul 
of public art being the public discussion it then sets up.

   -- James

On 24/06/2015 16:57, Michael Maggs wrote:
> The argument that personal Facebook uploads are 'non-commercial' does
> not hold water.
>
> Any private individual who uploads personal photographs to a social
> media website will be affected, as most sites require users to warrant
> that their uploads do not not infringe the intellectual property rights
> of any third party. Anybody using social media to share even private
> photographs that include a modern building or streetscape within the
> view will be in breach of the warranty and will be at significant legal
> risk.
>
> Also, many websites state in their small print that uploads are
> automatically licensed to the site owner under a worldwide non-exclusive
> licence for any purpose (even commercial). Uploaders will not be in a
> position to  grant such a licence, as they will no longer be the sole
> copyright owner of their own photographs.
>
> The relevant clauses in the Facebook legal terms can be found here:
> https://www.facebook.com/legal/terms
>
>   * 2.1    For content that is covered by intellectual property rights,
>     like photos and videos (IP content), you specifically give us the
>     following permission, subject to your privacy
>     <https://www.facebook.com/privacy/> and application settings
>     <https://www.facebook.com/settings/?tab=applications>: you grant us
>     a non-exclusive, transferable, sub-licensable, royalty-free,
>     worldwide license to use any IP content that you post on or in
>     connection with Facebook (IP License).
>
>   * 5.1    You will not post content or take any action on Facebook that
>     infringes or violates someone else's rights or otherwise violates
>     the law.
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>> Jan Loužek <mailto:jan.louzek at wikimedia.cz>
>> 24 June 2015 14:07
>>
>> He has to be convinced then that the commercial sharing is not as
>> simple issue as it is believed by Svoboda.
>>
>> https://wiki.creativecommons.org/wiki/Defining_Noncommercial Here. 18
>> MB of freading, cca 250 pages.
>>
>> Jan
>>
>> ______________________________________________________________
>> > Od: Michal Palenik <michal at palenik.sk>
>> > Komu: Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com>
>> > Datum: 24.06.2015 14:51
>> > Předmět: Re: freedom of panorama
>> >
>>
>> i've contacted
>> ŠTEFANEC Ivan <ivan.stefanec at europarl.europa.eu>
>> with some mixed results.
>>
>> he believes in press release by pavel svoboda
>> http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde117
>> <http://us9.campaign-archive2.com/?u=0519b32bd74df1cad7d02aa01&id=3d98dde117>
>>
>> which says that "of course, facebook photos are non commercial". which
>> i doubt.
>>
>> but after a second email:
>>
>> Každopádne je jasné, že presadzujem slobodu šírenia záberov okolia bez
>> obmedzenia a podľa toho budem aj hlasovať.
>>
>> It is evident, that I acitvelly support
>> freedom of spreading of panorama photos without (any) restrictions and
>> I will vote according to this.
>>
>> michal
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 24, 2015 at 11:04:39AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov
>> wrote:
>> > I was offering Schaake (ALDE NL) one and she said she's rwady to
>> coordinate
>> > if no one else wants.
>> >
>> > Perhaps you can ask then to either join her effort or to take it up
>> > themselves. Will send you the AM text, but Schaake still hasn't
>> tabled it.
>> >
>> > Dimi
>> >
>> > На сряда, 24 юни 2015 г. Michal Palenik <michal at palenik.sk> написа:
>> > > hi, is the amendment for the plenary ready? I am contacting our
>> MEPs..
>> > >
>> > > m
>> > > On Fri, Jun 19, 2015 at 10:01:58AM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov
>> Dimitrov wrote:
>> > >> The amendment was adopted with a vast majority (EPP and S&D
>> votes) by the
>> > >> JURI committee, so it is already in the text. We're now trying to
>> get an
>> > >> amendment in for the plenary vote. This requires 75 MEPs to
>> co-sign it.
>> > We
>> > >> need especially EPP ones to help it to send a message. If you
>> could find
>> > >> some from SK, that would be awesome!
>> > >>
>> > >> As for a press release, the EN signpost article is very
>> comprehensive:
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-06-17/In_focus
>>
>> > >>
>> > >> 2015-06-19 9:27 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik <michal at palenik.sk>:
>> > >>
>> > >> > ok,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > just to clarify:
>> > >> > it is "just" a yet unvoted on ammendmend by a MEP?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > is there a good press release? i would not want it to by "yet
>> another
>> > >> > stupid thing done by brussels bureocracy".
>> > >> >
>> > >> > michal
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 11:26:38PM +0200, Dimitar Parvanov
>> Dimitrov
>> > wrote:
>> > >> > > Yes, I forgot to cc you in the main talk and you're probably
>> not on
>> > the
>> > >> > > advocacy advisors mailing list. We need three things:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > -Media noise in each member state
>> > >> > > -MEPs from each country to co-sign an amendment proposal from
>> plenary
>> > >> > > -Find coalition partners that can help us do the first two.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > I am putting Jan Louzek from WMCZ in cc. He's done an
>> outstanding job
>> > >> > there
>> > >> > > to make noise and hopefully can help give WMSK some tips how
>> we can
>> > do
>> > >> > the
>> > >> > > same in SK.
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > Dimi
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > 2015-06-18 23:20 GMT+02:00 Michal Palenik <michal at palenik.sk>:
>> > >> > >
>> > >> > > > hi
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > there is a big big talk about freedom of panorama ban by
>> european
>> > >> > > > parliament. are there any things we can do to avoid it? or
>> is it
>> > just
>> > >> > > > panicing?
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > ammendemt 421 by jean marie cavada
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> >
>> >
>> http://www.europarl.europa.eu/sides/getDoc.do?pubRef=-%2F%2FEP%2F%2FNONSGML%20COMPARL%20PE-549.469%2001%20DOC%20PDF%20V0%2F%2FEN
>>
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > > michal
>> > >> > > > --
>> > >> > > > michal palenik
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> > > >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > --
>> > >> > michal palenik
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > michal palenik
>> > >
>> > >
>>
>> --
>> michal palenik
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