[Advocacy Advisors] Fwd: [open-policy-network] Elsevier & Dutch universities in a stand-off
Pierre-Carl Langlais
pierre-carl.langlais at orange.fr
Wed Nov 5 23:09:57 UTC 2014
In the same vein, here's a bit of depressing news: France had just
signed a five-year national license with Elsevier for 172 millions euros
(here are some details in French, translation to come:
http://scoms.hypotheses.org/293)
Not only is this a heavy burden on a shrinking research budget, but it
means the global transition of French research to OA is delayed for
another five years. With the ability to read Elsevier journals, most
researchers are unlikely to shift form their usual paywall-closed (and
publishers-owned) publication model… We are truly in a deadlock. I'm
really hoping the Netherlands could come to a better agreement (or,
better still, avoid /any /agreeement). That would be a big leap forward
and a strong signal sent to my governement…
Pierre-Carl
Le 05/11/14 22:51, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov a écrit :
> @Yana Absolutely! Once things have gone that far there's almost no
> room to manoeuvre. As the term OA is already very well accepted by
> most stakeholders, my feeling is that we must - together with OKFN and
> others - make a greater effort to defend its original definition.
> Currently no one is fighting OA per se, the struggle is about what it
> means. Recent blogposts were a good move on that ;)
>
> @Lodewijk Please ping us on any meaningful developments. We do have a
> central interest in OA.
>
> Dimi
>
> 2014-11-05 22:36 GMT+01:00 L.Gelauff <lgelauff at gmail.com
> <mailto:lgelauff at gmail.com>>:
>
> Hi,
>
> as a little background:
> The Dutch government put down a requirement to the universities
> that they have to provide open access to their publications, i
> believe from the top of my head 60% open access in 5 years, 100%
> in 10. At the same time, the universities are renewing their
> X-year contract with major publishers, and this is the first time
> [citation needed] they put together their negotiating powers and
> negotiate through their Universities association. This is the
> negotiations about access to works published by (in this case)
> Elsevier. It seems the discussions got bundled (which makes sense
> given the fact that the business model has to change). To me, this
> feels mostly that universities are playing it hard, and they
> simply tell their researchers now "doom and fail, from 1 january,
> you can't access Elsevier papers any more, because they don't meet
> our demands" which of course gets lots of press attention, and
> might help Elsevier to lower their price and conditions.
>
> I would be highly surprised if Elsevier and the universities would
> actually not come to an understanding before the deadline. So yes,
> the focus is on publishing and access to Dutch publications by the
> whole world, but please note that this is a precondition for
> re-use. And also, you'll probably have a hard time to explain the
> scientist community why their papers should be reusable...
> especially with all the plagiarism discussions going on currently
> (in the Netherlands and also Germany I think). Lets count our
> blessings, and be happy if the Netherlands universities are able
> to make good deals and change the business model - that would be a
> big leap already I think (most countries are not even close to
> this, to the best of my knowledge, although the rumour has it that
> the UK is going the same way).
>
> Also, to be able to create compendia of free knowledge, /access/
> to publications is the first necessary step of course. Being able
> to copy and edit papers would be a nice to have, but that would
> also first require being able to see it :)
>
> Finally, this would 'only' be locked down for 5 or 10 years I
> think, another cycle, another revolution.
>
> Following these discussions with a lot of interest from closeby,
>
> Lodewijk
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 10:16 PM, Yana Welinder
> <ywelinder at wikimedia.org <mailto:ywelinder at wikimedia.org>> wrote:
>
> Interesting development. Thanks for forwarding, Dimi! >From
> the press release, it sounds like they were focusing of
> accessibility rather than free reuse. It would be nice to be
> able to add reuse to the agenda for these kind of
> negotiations, before they reach deadlock of course.
>
> Best,
> Yana
>
> On Wed, Nov 5, 2014 at 1:08 PM, Dimitar Dimitrov
> <dimitar.dimitrov at wikimedia.de
> <mailto:dimitar.dimitrov at wikimedia.de>> wrote:
>
> FYI
>
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> Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:11 PM
> Subject: Elsevier & Dutch universities in a stand-off
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>
> From: Jos Damen <josephcmdamen at gmail.com
> <mailto:josephcmdamen at gmail.com>>
> Date: Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 11:58 AM
>
> "Negotiations between Elsevier and universities failed
> (PRESS RELEASE
> VSNU, 4 November 2014)
>
> Universities want to move to Open Access publications
>
> Negotiations between the Dutch universities and publishing
> company
> Elsevier on subscription fees and Open Access have ground
> to a halt.
> In line with the policy pursued by the Ministry of
> Education, Culture
> and Science, the universities want academic publications
> to be freely
> accessible. To that end, agreements will have to be made
> with the
> publishers. The proposal presented by Elsevier last week
> totally fails
> to address this inevitable change. The universities hope
> that Elsevier
> will submit an amended proposal. ‘From now on we will
> inform our
> researchers about the consequences of this deadlock’, says
> Gerard
> Meijer, president of Radboud University Nijmegen and chief
> negotiator
> on behalf of the VSNU."
>
> More:
> http://www.vsnu.nl/news/newsitem/11-negotiations-between-elsevier-and-universities-failed.html
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