[Advocacy Advisors] Digital Rights Networking Lunch @ Wikimania

Mon Aug 4 17:35:06 UTC 2014

Thanks for your flexibility, Dimi. As I said yesterday, this will require
juggling from some of us (I have at least three events already scheduled
Saturday night!) but I think it's the right outcome.

Luis

On Mon, Aug 4, 2014 at 9:57 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> after looking into the two options - moving the Digital Rights Lunch to
> Saturday or organising a NetPoliticsBeer - we're going for the latter. The
> reasons for this:
>
> -I received several off-list messages preferring the evening beer option.
> -Last Wikimania there were complaints that all the breaks (lunch, coffee)
> were filled out by additional events which didn't give people a chance to
> relax
> -This way the event will be after the presentation and discussion, giving
> us an opportunity to engage the most interested people in a more informal
> environment
> -The off-premises location will give us the opportunity to reach out to
> activists in London who may not be at the conference
>
> We've made reservations for Saturday evening from 20:00 at a pub close to
> the venue. The wiki-page has been moved and updated. [1]
>
> Please help me in spreading the word and reaching out to more local
> participants. The tag is #npbldn
>
> Thanks,
> Dimi
>
> [1]https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/NetPoliticsBeer
>
>
>
> 2014-08-04 0:14 GMT+02:00 Yana Welinder <ywelinder at wikimedia.org>:
>
> Hi Dimi,
>>
>> Really appreciate your willingness to reschedule. I think that either
>> option should work well. :)
>>
>> Yana via iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I originally planned the lunch to be after the talk and the panel
>> discussion, so we can of follow-up on the raised questions in more depth
>> with the most interested people. I realised it overlaps with the Wiki
>> Women's Lunch immediately after that but didn't act on it, as this is
>> Wikimania and any slot would have conflicted with other exciting and
>> important events.
>>
>> I now realise that there is considerable interest in having the two at
>> different times, which is of course the best thing that can happen. I will
>> therefore try to move the Digital Rights Lunch to Saturday. It would be
>> before the other events, but that can be a blessing, as it will give us a
>> chance to talk to people beforehand.
>>
>> Alternatively we could go for organising a NetPoliticsBeer [1] Saturday
>> evening. This could give us the chance to meet with activists in London who
>> are not necessarily going to the conference, thus would suit the reach-out
>> idea much better. I know, however, that evening plans can be just as
>> tricky. Let me know if you would prefer this solution!
>>
>> I don't think there will be a problem rescheduling it, but I will confirm
>> tomorrow. It is close to midnight here :)
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Dimi
>>
>> [1] http://npbx.wordpress.com/about/
>>
>>
>> 2014-08-03 22:54 GMT+02:00 Luis Villa <lvilla at wikimedia.org>:
>>
>>> I should add that I apologize to Yana and the other women on the list
>>> for not spotting and raising  this problem earlier. We're only going to get
>>> better on our gender problem if we all take responsibility for spotting and
>>> dealing with problems like this one. That includes me; I failed to do that
>>> here, so my apologies.
>>>
>>> Luis
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014, Luis Villa <lvilla at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Given the bluntly awful representation of women around the projects[1],
>>>> yes, the WikiWomen's lunch should get some different deference. It is
>>>> unfortunate that the issue was raised so close to the date of the
>>>> conference[2], but I hope Dimi will try to find some alternatives that are
>>>> workable.
>>>>
>>>> Luis
>>>>
>>>> [1] Take a look at who posts on this list. Or the membership of affcom
>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee#mediaviewer/File:AffCom_group_photo_-_Wikimedia_Conference_2014.jpg>.
>>>> Or... I could go on and on with examples.
>>>> [2] I, like many of you, will have to reschedule some other lunch
>>>> meetings if the date for this is changed.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, L.Gelauff <lgelauff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Yana,
>>>>>
>>>>> that is the downside of having a wikiwomen lunch in the first place of
>>>>> course - any meeting that would be planned in parallel would face the same
>>>>> problem I guess (maybe except a WikiGuys lunch) of an underrepresentation
>>>>> of women. I'm not sure if that should mean that the Sunday lunch should
>>>>> therefore be off limits to any other meetings...
>>>>>
>>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 2014-08-03 22:10 GMT+02:00 Yana Welinder <ywelinder at wikimedia.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I just realized that you scheduled the Digital Rights Networking Lunch
>>>>>> at the same time as the WikiWomen’s lunch. It doesn't look like a lot of
>>>>>> people have confirmed attendance and it hasn't been added to the official
>>>>>> Wikimania program.  So perhaps there is still time to reschedule.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Scheduling these two meetings at the same time means that most women
>>>>>> who are interested in policy will not be able to attend and the gathering
>>>>>> will be akin to an old-boys club. That in turn gives Wikimedia’s policy
>>>>>> efforts less legitimacy in the broader digital rights community, which has
>>>>>> had a lot of discussions about gender balance and has pretty good female
>>>>>> representation overall. I know that the Wikimania schedule is tight, but
>>>>>> there must be a way you can schedule this to avoid excluding an entire
>>>>>> gender!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Yana
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>>>>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've set up a page [1] and requested a room for our networking lunch
>>>>>>> on Sunday. It will be in parallel with the WikiWomen's Lunch, so I
>>>>>>> apologise to everyone whose scheduling now got even harder. This was,
>>>>>>> however, the best possible timeslot I could manage.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As it is not possible to get a list of all Wikimania attendees and
>>>>>>> filter out the digital and policy activists among them to send out
>>>>>>> invitations, please help me by inviting anyone you know will be present and
>>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> Dimi
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Networking_Lunch
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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