[Advocacy Advisors] Digital Rights Networking Lunch @ Wikimania

Mon Aug 4 16:57:01 UTC 2014

Hi all,

after looking into the two options - moving the Digital Rights Lunch to
Saturday or organising a NetPoliticsBeer - we're going for the latter. The
reasons for this:

-I received several off-list messages preferring the evening beer option.
-Last Wikimania there were complaints that all the breaks (lunch, coffee)
were filled out by additional events which didn't give people a chance to
relax
-This way the event will be after the presentation and discussion, giving
us an opportunity to engage the most interested people in a more informal
environment
-The off-premises location will give us the opportunity to reach out to
activists in London who may not be at the conference

We've made reservations for Saturday evening from 20:00 at a pub close to
the venue. The wiki-page has been moved and updated. [1]

Please help me in spreading the word and reaching out to more local
participants. The tag is #npbldn

Thanks,
Dimi

[1]https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/NetPoliticsBeer

2014-08-04 0:14 GMT+02:00 Yana Welinder <ywelinder at wikimedia.org>:

> Hi Dimi,
>
> Really appreciate your willingness to reschedule. I think that either
> option should work well. :)
>
> Yana via iPhone
>
> On Aug 3, 2014, at 2:49 PM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I originally planned the lunch to be after the talk and the panel
> discussion, so we can of follow-up on the raised questions in more depth
> with the most interested people. I realised it overlaps with the Wiki
> Women's Lunch immediately after that but didn't act on it, as this is
> Wikimania and any slot would have conflicted with other exciting and
> important events.
>
> I now realise that there is considerable interest in having the two at
> different times, which is of course the best thing that can happen. I will
> therefore try to move the Digital Rights Lunch to Saturday. It would be
> before the other events, but that can be a blessing, as it will give us a
> chance to talk to people beforehand.
>
> Alternatively we could go for organising a NetPoliticsBeer [1] Saturday
> evening. This could give us the chance to meet with activists in London who
> are not necessarily going to the conference, thus would suit the reach-out
> idea much better. I know, however, that evening plans can be just as
> tricky. Let me know if you would prefer this solution!
>
> I don't think there will be a problem rescheduling it, but I will confirm
> tomorrow. It is close to midnight here :)
>
> Cheers,
> Dimi
>
> [1] http://npbx.wordpress.com/about/
>
>
> 2014-08-03 22:54 GMT+02:00 Luis Villa <lvilla at wikimedia.org>:
>
>> I should add that I apologize to Yana and the other women on the list for
>> not spotting and raising  this problem earlier. We're only going to get
>> better on our gender problem if we all take responsibility for spotting and
>> dealing with problems like this one. That includes me; I failed to do that
>> here, so my apologies.
>>
>> Luis
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, August 3, 2014, Luis Villa <lvilla at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Given the bluntly awful representation of women around the projects[1],
>>> yes, the WikiWomen's lunch should get some different deference. It is
>>> unfortunate that the issue was raised so close to the date of the
>>> conference[2], but I hope Dimi will try to find some alternatives that are
>>> workable.
>>>
>>> Luis
>>>
>>> [1] Take a look at who posts on this list. Or the membership of affcom
>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee#mediaviewer/File:AffCom_group_photo_-_Wikimedia_Conference_2014.jpg>.
>>> Or... I could go on and on with examples.
>>> [2] I, like many of you, will have to reschedule some other lunch
>>> meetings if the date for this is changed.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Aug 3, 2014 at 1:25 PM, L.Gelauff <lgelauff at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Yana,
>>>>
>>>> that is the downside of having a wikiwomen lunch in the first place of
>>>> course - any meeting that would be planned in parallel would face the same
>>>> problem I guess (maybe except a WikiGuys lunch) of an underrepresentation
>>>> of women. I'm not sure if that should mean that the Sunday lunch should
>>>> therefore be off limits to any other meetings...
>>>>
>>>> Lodewijk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-08-03 22:10 GMT+02:00 Yana Welinder <ywelinder at wikimedia.org>:
>>>>
>>>> I just realized that you scheduled the Digital Rights Networking Lunch
>>>>> at the same time as the WikiWomen’s lunch. It doesn't look like a lot of
>>>>> people have confirmed attendance and it hasn't been added to the official
>>>>> Wikimania program.  So perhaps there is still time to reschedule.
>>>>>
>>>>> Scheduling these two meetings at the same time means that most women
>>>>> who are interested in policy will not be able to attend and the gathering
>>>>> will be akin to an old-boys club. That in turn gives Wikimedia’s policy
>>>>> efforts less legitimacy in the broader digital rights community, which has
>>>>> had a lot of discussions about gender balance and has pretty good female
>>>>> representation overall. I know that the Wikimania schedule is tight, but
>>>>> there must be a way you can schedule this to avoid excluding an entire
>>>>> gender!
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Yana
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:34 AM, Dimitar Parvanov Dimitrov <
>>>>> dimitar.parvanov.dimitrov at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've set up a page [1] and requested a room for our networking lunch
>>>>>> on Sunday. It will be in parallel with the WikiWomen's Lunch, so I
>>>>>> apologise to everyone whose scheduling now got even harder. This was,
>>>>>> however, the best possible timeslot I could manage.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As it is not possible to get a list of all Wikimania attendees and
>>>>>> filter out the digital and policy activists among them to send out
>>>>>> invitations, please help me by inviting anyone you know will be present and
>>>>>> interested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Dimi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Digital_Rights_Networking_Lunch
>>>>>>
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