On Sun, Sep 13, 2015 at 11:12 PM, Maximilian
Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
As for the link change, you will need to contact the admin that changed it, or purge your
cache. As for scottywong's tools, there's is no progress and likely won't be
any. I have no intentions of taking on another big set of tools.
Cyberpower678
English Wikipedia Account Creation Team
Mailing List Moderator
On Sep 14, 2015, at 03:51, Chris
<cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote:
Yesterday when I used it it was the German version ported to enWiki and it was
working fine and looked very good.
Does anyone have an update on the progress with the other tools, especially those
originally developed by Scottywomg? In the light of Orangemoody these are required
even more urgently than ever: a) for detectiove work, and b) for the background arguments
to introduced new policy resulting from Orangemoody.
Thanks for everyones’ help in these issues - let’s see if we can get them resolved
as quickly as possible.
Kudpung
> On 14 Sep 2015, at 08:44, Sarah (SV) <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi, WikiHistory has disappeared again when I go to page information --> revision
history statistics, and again the page is saying "no revisions found."
>
> Does anyone know what happened?
>
> Sarah
>
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 7:43 PM, Maximilian Doerr
<maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> I might need APPER to help me out a bit. Some of the logic of the code doesn’t
make much sense to me, or I’m just too tired. I believe I made lots of headway today,
though, but I’m getting a massive exception with his executable program, (it can run on
Linux?).
>>
>>
>>
>> An exception occurred: XmlException: Document element did not appear. Line 1,
position 1.
>>
>> at Mono.Xml2.XmlTextReader.Read () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Xml.XmlTextReader.Read () [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Xml.XmlReader.MoveToContent () [0x00000] in <filename
unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.Configuration.ReadConfigFile (System.Xml.XmlReader
reader, System.String fileName) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.Configuration.Load () [0x00000] in <filename
unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.Configuration.Init (IConfigSystem system, System.String
configPath, System.Configuration.Configuration parent) [0x00000] in <filename
unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.Configuration..ctor
(System.Configuration.InternalConfigurationSystem system, System.String locationSubPath)
[0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.InternalConfigurationFactory.Create (System.Type
typeConfigHost, System.Object[] hostInitConfigurationParams) [0x00000] in <filename
unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.ConfigurationManager.OpenMappedExeConfiguration
(System.Configuration.ExeConfigurationFileMap fileMap, ConfigurationUserLevel userLevel)
[0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.CustomizableFileSettingsProvider.LoadProperties
(System.Configuration.ExeConfigurationFileMap exeMap,
System.Configuration.SettingsPropertyCollection collection, ConfigurationUserLevel level,
System.String sectionGroupName, Boolean allowOverwrite, System.String groupName) [0x00000]
in <filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.CustomizableFileSettingsProvider.GetPropertyValues
(System.Configuration.SettingsContext context,
System.Configuration.SettingsPropertyCollection collection) [0x00000] in <filename
unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.LocalFileSettingsProvider.GetPropertyValues
(System.Configuration.SettingsContext context,
System.Configuration.SettingsPropertyCollection properties) [0x00000] in <filename
unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.ApplicationSettingsBase.CacheValuesByProvider
(System.Configuration.SettingsProvider provider) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.ApplicationSettingsBase.GetPropertyValue (System.String
propertyName) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at System.Configuration.ApplicationSettingsBase.get_Item (System.String
propertyName) [0x00000] in <filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at WikiHistory.Properties.Settings.get_Project () [0x00000] in <filename
unknown>:0
>>
>> at WikiHistory.CommandLineVersion..ctor (System.String[] args) [0x00000] in
<filename unknown>:0
>>
>> at WikiHistory.Program.Main (System.String[] args) [0x00000] in <filename
unknown>:0
>>
>>
>>
>> The question is why the XML keeps getting deleted before calling this program.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sarah (SV)
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 8:52 PM
>>
>>
>> To: Discussion list for xTools <xtools(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [xTools] Dropping xTools as a developer
>>
>>
>>
>> Sigma, I'm getting into yours really fast now. It's wonderful to have
that service up again.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 5:21 PM, MusikAnimal <musikanimal(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sigma, had I known about your tool it would been linked many moons ago. We
thought xtools was the only one. Legoktm came in and added yours, which did great until
just as you say, the service went down (maybe a week ago?). Glad you got it back up and
running, along with all of your tools!
>>
>>
>>
>> For the record, earlier today when your tool was still down I changed the
Histlengend to use WikiHistory for the mainspace and yours for others, in case yours came
up those namespaces would be covered. Should we keep it this way? I'm only asking
because there has been interest in WikiHistory, so perhaps going this route we're
getting use out of both. I just don't want it to seem like we're shutting one
service out of the picture. I'm impartial and am happy to go either way.
>>
>>
>>
>> ~ Leon
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 September 2015 at 19:51, Sigma (WP) <sigmawp(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yeah, I was waiting to see if/when someone would mention "but look at this
tool that's been linked to in MediaWiki:Histlegend for a few weeks now" and got a
bit impatient :~).
>>
>> The "no webservice" errors are the fault of Labs. It is much more
explosive than Toolserver was.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:37 PM, Sarah (SV) <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sigma, it's wonderful. Thank you for all the work you put into it.
>>
>> I don't want to introduce a but – but I've tried it several times
recently, and it's not always available. Is this a Wikimedia Labs issue, and why is it
so difficult to get connected to anything there?
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 4:33 PM, Maximilian Doerr
<maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Thank you Sigma for providing that. You are the true hero.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Sigma (WP)
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 6:03 PM
>>
>>
>> To: Discussion list for xTools <xtools(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [xTools] Dropping xTools as a developer
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm just gonna leave
https://tools.wmflabs.org/sigma/articleinfo.py here and
see what happens.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 1:51 PM, Sarah (SV) <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Eugene said he would get WikiHistory running for the English Wikipedia.
Cyberpower, was it you who set it up for articles, or was that Eugene?
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2015 at 8:29 AM, Maximilian Doerr
<maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> YES, YES, YES. Exactly. I took xTools over 3 years ago because it was fun, and
I had the time and resources to do it. Kudpung, you fail to realize that when I took it
over I had the resources to commit to it. I singlehandedly moved the tools from
toolserver to labs, which was no small task. I single handedly have been keeping them
running as best as I can until Hedonil came along. In which case he rewrote everything,
and made things impossible for me. When I asked about the code, he disappeared leaving me
in an impossible situation, I attempted to recruit more people, but that failed too. Then
you came along and kept pushing for an immediate where non-existed. I no longer have any
enthusiasm to maintain these tools. I can try and get Wikihistory fully operational, but
after that, I will no longer be maintaining the code for xTools.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: xtools-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:xtools-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of MusikAnimal
>> Sent: Monday, September 07, 2015 10:10 AM
>> To: Discussion list for xTools <xtools(a)lists.wikimedia.org>
>> Subject: Re: [xTools] Dropping xTools as a developer
>>
>>
>>
>> As far as I know the Germin WikIHistory tool only works on mainspace articles.
Cyber ported this over to enwiki a while back, it's at
http://tools.wmflabs.org/xtools/wikihistory/
>>
>>
>>
>> We've been using SIgma's tool as an alternative, as it supports all
namespaces, but it appears all of sigma's tools are down at the moment.
>>
>> Frankly, other than the article info (revision history) tool, xtools is not in
terrible shape. The service goes down every so often, but a simple restart does the trick.
I've talked to the labs folks about getting our nifty bash scripts back up to do that
job for us, and I can try to focus on that in the near future. Sometimes I doubt we should
bother with a rewrite. It's a lot of work and I get the hunch none of us really want
to do it.
>>
>> That being said, I'm actively having fun developing my own suite of tools,
beginning with a non-automated edit counter. From there I look forward to creating similar
tools to what we already enjoy with other tools, but I'm just doing it again both for
fun and to offer an additional line of services in the event the others go down. Working
on xtools should be no different, in that you should be having fun doing it. Any added
pressure to get things done compromises this important aspect. If you are unable to
fulfill a deadline you made, oh well. The only situation where unfulfilled volunteer work
should truly matter is where it was court-ordered.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 September 2015 at 02:07, Sarah (SV) <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Sorry, I wrote that we need article histories, but I meant page histories.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 11:06 PM, Sarah (SV) <slimvirgin(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I joined this list not long ago in the hope of finding out what progress has been
made. My problem is that I have no technical skills, so I can't help with this,
don't know how much time is involved, and can't find out why the tools suddenly
stopped working. Or why Wikimedia Labs is so often unreachable.
>>
>> As Chris says, we really need some of these tools, in particular article
histories. Is there anyone on this list who is willing to make WikiHistory work? It
currently works for articles only. Eugene said he would carry it over from the German
Wikipedia, but I don't know what happened.
>>
>> WikiHistory looks good and is very stable on the German WP, so that seems like
something worth working on.
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 6, 2015 at 10:22 PM, Chris <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote:
>>
>> As we appear to be throwing around with accusaions here - or trying to feel
accused, I want out that part of the dilemma is directly attributed to users who in their
enthusiasm to be helpful took on more than they had time and/or knowledge to fulfil. In
any volunteer community this always ends badly. The moral of the story is: Don’t say you
will if there’s a likelyhood you can’t, and if later you can’t, tell us so and don’t
string us along with excuses however valid they may be.
>>
>>
>>
>> The problem we are faced with right now is that time has run out and there is no
time left for people to learn php or Python while they address these 2-year-old problems;
what we need from among our 22 million registered accounts are two or three people who
speak php and Python as fluently as I speak English, French, and German.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am not a code writer. Belive me when I say that if I were, I’d be doing it all
myself. I am one of the regular users of these tools and I can assure you all that they
are not some little gimmicks for the curiosity of newbies. They are essential for
example, for providing statistics to back up proposals for implementing serious measures
to combat some of the worst things that happen on Wikipedia. Or perhaps none of you are
aware of Orangemoody, for example.
>>
>>
>>
>> We Thank you all for the effort you have put into these issues.
>>
>>
>>
>> I rest my case.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Kudpung
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7Sep, 2015, at 10:18, L235 Wikipedia <l235(a)l235.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> Respectfully, Kudpung, I agree with Cyberpower678 that your messages to this list
have been less productive than they could have been. They have essentially been "the
beatings will continue until morale improves"-style messages, and we all know how
well those work out.
>>
>> For the record, I have met all of my commitments to this project. I have
continued to make one hour a week of my time available to this project, to do anything I
see that I can do within the capabilities I specified by email to the list (sysadminning,
making an effort to wrangle bugs, but not primary development). I have continued to study
PHP a little. I made my limitations very, very clear before I was added as a maintainer of
this project.
>>
>> Wikipedia is not, should not be, and has never been our top priority. Each of us
have our own career, our own boss (or instructor/professor/etc.), and our own social lives
separate from Wikipedia. We are all volunteers. Although we should honor our commitments
(to emphasize again, I did, and beyond – IRC/etc.), it is unreasonable to blame us for
factors outside of our own control.
>>
>> I recognize that xTools is vital to the project, and I have been making efforts
(even studying PHP, basically from scratch) to try to fix it. Please feel free to send us
messages describing the usage of this tool by the community, and you are more than welcome
to start contributing directly (i.e. hack, code, sysadmin, etc.), but until you do, please
don't try to supervise us. (Again, suggestions, reminders, etc., are appreciated
regardless.)
>>
>> I am trying to get in contact with Eugene to see if he can come back on the
project.
>>
>> Respectfully,
>> L235, in my role as a maintainer and sysadmin of xTools
>>
>> Kudpung, I honestly felt like your badgering was more like pushing me around and
demanding I do work on xTools in all off my free time. I never said I had a bountiful
amount of free time. I've always asserted that I was missing the time needed to fully
dedicate to the project, but I was also the only one doing something code related. Now no
one is. I was never being dishonest about my lack of time. If you really need someone
who can truly dedicate the time, talk to Sigma. From what I gather, he's more capable
anyways. Anyways, I'm now focusing my time clearing out the backlog over at bot
requests, and maybe some RfC closures.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cyberpower678
>>
>> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team
>>
>> Mailing List Moderator
>>
>>
>> On Sep 6, 2015, at 08:52, Chris <cs(a)edubkk.org> wrote:
>>
>> " The first reason is that xTools requires a great deal of person's time
which is something I'm lacking. “
>>
>>
>>
>> This is really the only reason. I’ve been encouraging, then badgering, then
badgering some more - but not bullying. And if we had had a clear and honest answer like
this months ago perhaps we would have found the people we need.
>>
>>
>>
>> Now, because of recent events, Wikipedia is in the shit, and we’re all up shit
creek without a paddle and can’t do anything about it.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kudpung
>>
>>
>>
>> On 6Sep, 2015, at 19:45, Maximilian Doerr <maximilian.doerr(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> The first reason is that xTools requires a great deal of person's time which
is something I'm lacking.
>>
>>
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