Dear ALL - I am failing to find WikiProject that would fit my urgent work so I started one WikiProject_Cultural_networks (all in kind of draft now) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Cultural_networks ... and ... I was also eager to use something for non-profit_non-governmental_organization_working_in_arts_and_culture so I created it https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q111597191 but have doubts if this is good approach as Rhizome for example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7320757 just used instance of: https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Property:P31 nonprofit organization https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q163740 and art society https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q12160242 (in my region art societies, are just art unions and are few)
If there is anyone even remotely interested in this and/or free to correct me or brainstorm together please let me know here or join https://chat.wmcloud.org/wikimedia/channels/wren and let's chat ;-)
Best Z.
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HI Željko How are you planning to use Wikidata for your network? Are you planning a network visualisation? I'm working in a large, multi institutional research centre with many partners and was thinking it would be interesting to show the relationships and research interests etc in ways that go beyond Scholix but finding the categories for organisations and their relationships is challenging. It would be good to hear more about your plans. Amanda
________________________________ From: Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr Sent: Friday, 15 April 2022 2:10 AM To: Wikimedians in Residence Exchange Network wren@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wren] Wikidata and arts/cultural NGOs + their networks
Dear ALL - I am failing to find WikiProject that would fit my urgent work so I started one WikiProject_Cultural_networks (all in kind of draft now) https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Cultural_networkshttps://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FWikidata%3AWikiProject_Cultural_networks&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C1cdba487a2b14a37ecb108da1e3157cd%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637855495165924709%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=k3A%2BkmADiHaxcKSW2w0Mu8e5kOceYLL8UYq5zCygn6s%3D&reserved=0 ... and ... I was also eager to use something for non-profit_non-governmental_organization_working_in_arts_and_culture so I created it https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q111597191https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FQ111597191&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C1cdba487a2b14a37ecb108da1e3157cd%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637855495165924709%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=2ZeuvSZZK69JnJ2hDBwZkrrLXWhRlDtueoosiRm9ES8%3D&reserved=0 but have doubts if this is good approach as Rhizome for example https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q7320757https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FQ7320757&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C1cdba487a2b14a37ecb108da1e3157cd%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637855495165924709%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=JvldrjOqNqiPZ%2BGZuStNxmyhLvNCWVIBWtEmXYqfpG0%3D&reserved=0 just used instance of:https://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FProperty%3AP31&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C1cdba487a2b14a37ecb108da1e3157cd%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637855495165924709%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=SiR7CrGjxPsbiIOc4MT0aEtVE5rH55opOYPwzntctkc%3D&reserved=0 nonprofit organizationhttps://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FQ163740&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C1cdba487a2b14a37ecb108da1e3157cd%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637855495165924709%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=IlrP1MOzQ6s%2F68bysOon4Xe4xJz%2BjrM18SNaOYeSW6E%3D&reserved=0 and art societyhttps://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.wikidata.org%2Fwiki%2FQ12160242&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C1cdba487a2b14a37ecb108da1e3157cd%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637855495165924709%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=wgc8GGPyoPsQ63zHPqB4k4%2FDigl3eS5zrH35pKcSwdw%3D&reserved=0 (in my region art societies, are just art unions and are few)
If there is anyone even remotely interested in this and/or free to correct me or brainstorm together please let me know here or join https://chat.wmcloud.org/wikimedia/channels/wrenhttps://aus01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fchat.wmcloud.org%2Fwikimedia%2Fchannels%2Fwren&data=04%7C01%7Camanda.lawrence%40rmit.edu.au%7C1cdba487a2b14a37ecb108da1e3157cd%7Cd1323671cdbe4417b4d4bdb24b51316b%7C0%7C0%7C637855495165924709%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000&sdata=DOH2Lve3v8g6v8vRzqNms%2FomVNnVhtGxK%2FM1abF9Ql0%3D&reserved=0 and let's chat ;-)
Best Z.
Dear Amanda, thank you for your interest in the methods.
As I guess you know well, heterogeneous (especially civic society networks) are super complex as entities are often variably formalized, resourced, often 'unstable' and sometimes resist normalization and classification.
To illustrate in our work, some start as 2-3 people, then informal groups, become initiatives or coordinations of entities, later maybe NGOs, that create projects that are often more visible than themselves and might work outside of one entity, even becoming a new one (spinning-off). This creates fairly dynamic, vibrant and contemporary cultural outputs and effects, but it is hard to capture and process.
CLUBTURE.org network is particularly good in supporting (even under-resourced) in open and participatory grass-root culture, then advocating for its support in doing events, research, publications...but also people do drop out, projects fail and what not. There could be a better capture of all to reflect and learn. For start we entered 50+ organizations, 10+ key infrastructure entities (and their DKC-HR network) in Wikidata and some basic info on Wikipedia and media on Commons, just to have initial minimal visibility and clarity. Mind you I still need to make the first Wikidata:Property proposal and figure out what is most useful. We have indeed already started exploring how to visualize networks across different types of spatial maps, timelines, but also want to think about capacities (on scale fully volunteer hobist to fully professional NGO), types and levels of activities (local - int. but also topical vs. interdisciplinary) and visibility (use of soc. media and institutional recognition)... with a huge challenge of this not being just single points of (static) views.
Actually I hope that this can be useful for others in Wikimedia to track and learn about dynamics of diverse entities (for example of Wikimedia Affiliates), which are hugely different and hard to grasp as 'network', unless you are fully committed insider with not only access to info, but capacity to make it useful insight and knowledge.
If you think we could work together and engage others with more general discussion on methods of tracking networks on Wikidata we can maybe start with a zoom session and maybe create WikiProject for it? https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Networks_of_organizations ?
Best - Z.
Hi Z, thanks for starting the conversation.
Two things come to mind even if they may not solve the immediate problem:
1. We had some folks from our GLAM (arts) side involved with CIDOC-CRM relatively recently. Since that is a cross-cultural reference model there might be something there to build on. I believe Sandra Fauconnier was one of the ones who was in touch with them last - https://www.cidoc-crm.org/
2. It may be useful to get in touch with our sister affiliate the Wiki World Heritage User Group as they also work across different locales and cultures.
-Andrew
On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 3:49 AM Željko Blaće zblace@mi2.hr wrote:
Dear Amanda, thank you for your interest in the methods.
As I guess you know well, heterogeneous (especially civic society networks) are super complex as entities are often variably formalized, resourced, often 'unstable' and sometimes resist normalization and classification.
To illustrate in our work, some start as 2-3 people, then informal groups, become initiatives or coordinations of entities, later maybe NGOs, that create projects that are often more visible than themselves and might work outside of one entity, even becoming a new one (spinning-off). This creates fairly dynamic, vibrant and contemporary cultural outputs and effects, but it is hard to capture and process.
CLUBTURE.org network is particularly good in supporting (even under-resourced) in open and participatory grass-root culture, then advocating for its support in doing events, research, publications...but also people do drop out, projects fail and what not. There could be a better capture of all to reflect and learn. For start we entered 50+ organizations, 10+ key infrastructure entities (and their DKC-HR network) in Wikidata and some basic info on Wikipedia and media on Commons, just to have initial minimal visibility and clarity. Mind you I still need to make the first Wikidata:Property proposal and figure out what is most useful. We have indeed already started exploring how to visualize networks across different types of spatial maps, timelines, but also want to think about capacities (on scale fully volunteer hobist to fully professional NGO), types and levels of activities (local - int. but also topical vs. interdisciplinary) and visibility (use of soc. media and institutional recognition)... with a huge challenge of this not being just single points of (static) views.
Actually I hope that this can be useful for others in Wikimedia to track and learn about dynamics of diverse entities (for example of Wikimedia Affiliates), which are hugely different and hard to grasp as 'network', unless you are fully committed insider with not only access to info, but capacity to make it useful insight and knowledge.
If you think we could work together and engage others with more general discussion on methods of tracking networks on Wikidata we can maybe start with a zoom session and maybe create WikiProject for it?
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:WikiProject_Networks_of_organizations ?
Best - Z. _______________________________________________ Wren mailing list -- wren@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe send an email to wren-leave@lists.wikimedia.org