Hello all,
Please vote for http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6281
This bug, if fixed, may help enhancing automatic categorizing pages in detailed categories, basing on the "mother" categories. Very useful for Wiktionary, and also for Wikipedia, and with template that can interact with each other, many more possibilities may be opened.
Thanks,
Trung
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Is this list for only Wikipedia?
Any way, I annouce to those interessed (possibly only Minh) that I have contacted Laurent Bouvier (http://vi.wiktionary.org/wiki/Th%C3%A0nh_vi%C3%AAn:Laurent_Bouvier), who transfered the whole dictionary of Hồ Ngọc Đức (http://www.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/~duc/Dict/index.html) into Wiktionnaire (french Wiktionary) (apparently Hồ Ngọc Đức agreed to release his dictionary in GFDL, by an email conversation to the guys at Wiktionnaire), and we are going to do the same thing to Wiktionary.
If you want to help out, join the discussion at http://vi.wiktionary.org/wiki/Th%E1%BA%A3o_lu%E1%BA%ADn_Th%C3%A0nh_vi%C3%AA…
especially Minh, who is more experienced than me with Wiktionary, to answer the tough questions of Bouvier.
Thank you for reading this,
Trung
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> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 23:37:16 -0700
> From: mxn(a)zoomtown.com
> To: wikivi-l(a)mail.wikimedia.org
> Subject: [Wikivi-l] [Fwd: Template HTML fixups coming this week]
>
> Tôi không biết chúng ta có tiêu bản nào có thể bị ảnh hưởng của thay đổi
> này hay không, nhưng nếu bạn gặp tiêu bản nào mà chỉ được sử dụng để bắt
> đầu hay kết thúc bảng dùng cú pháp HTML, xin tạm đổi nó thành cú pháp
> wiki tại [[Trợ giúp:Tạo bảng]].
>
> I don't know if we have any templates that would be affected by this
> change, but if you happen to encounter any templates that open tables
> using the HTML syntax but don't close them (or vice-versa), please
> convert them to the wiki syntax at [[Trợ giúp:Tạo bảng]] for now.
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Template HTML fixups coming this week
> Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:48:26 -0700
> From: Brion Vibber <brion-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w(a)public.gmane.org>
> Reply-To: Wikimedia developers
> <wikitech-l-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA(a)public.gmane.org>
> CC: English Wikipedia
> <wikien-l-g2DCOkC13y2GglJvpFV4uA(a)public.gmane.org>, Wikimedia developers
> <wikitech-l-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA(a)public.gmane.org>
> Newsgroups:
> gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical,gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.english
>
> Just a heads-up, folks:
>
> Later this week I'm going to be installing a fix for some longstanding
> bugs with
> HTML in wiki pages. One of the issues is a difference in rendering of
> templates
> that improperly nest HTML tags, which caused certain badly-written
> templates to
> render in one way on Wikipedia but wildly broken on most other wikis.
>
> (Don't forget that an important part of what Wikipedia & its sister
> projects are
> about is making information sharable and reusable. If the code breaks when
> copied to another site, that's Bad.)
>
> Once the fix is in, templates should render about the same on Wikipedia and
> other wikis where the "HTML Tidy" plugin isn't being used. The bad news
> is that
> some of these templates will be broken; so it would be great if we can
> make sure
> they get cleaned up.
>
> Problem templates are mostly those which start an HTML tag in one
> template, then
> finish it in another. For instance if {{table-header}} contains a
> <table>, and
> then the table rows and final </table> are in another template entirely.
> These
> have always broken on regular MediaWiki -- the template is required to
> close its
> own tags -- though they sometimes appeared to work on Wikipedia due to
> bugs with
> our HTML handling when Tidy is enabled.
>
> I've done some automated checks on templates on en.wikipedia.org to make
> a list
> of likely problem candidates:
>
> http://leuksman.com/misc/templates/html-table-start.txt
> http://leuksman.com/misc/templates/html-table-end.txt
> http://leuksman.com/misc/templates/html-table-row.txt
>
>
> If you've got a template that you're not sure if it will work, try
> copying it to
> my test wiki at http://test.leuksman.com/ . This has the fix installed
> with the
> corrected behavior, so you can see about how it will render on Wikipedia
> next week.
>
>
> Please make sure this information is disseminated to the various other
> language
> and project wikis people are working on; I don't want to hear "waah! all my
> templates broke and no one told me!" next week. :)
>
> For the moment the same kind of construct with wiki tables ({| ... |}) will
> still work, but note that some time in the future we're going to have to
> look at
> 'fixing' that too. (This might require some enhancements to how
> templates work
> to make it easier to fill in long tables.)
>
> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
>
> --
> Minh Nguyen <mxn(a)zoomtown.com>
> AIM: trycom2000; Jabber: mxn(a)myjabber.net; Blog: http://mxn.f2o.org/
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Tôi không biết chúng ta có tiêu bản nào có thể bị ảnh hưởng của thay đổi
này hay không, nhưng nếu bạn gặp tiêu bản nào mà chỉ được sử dụng để bắt
đầu hay kết thúc bảng dùng cú pháp HTML, xin tạm đổi nó thành cú pháp
wiki tại [[Trợ giúp:Tạo bảng]].
I don't know if we have any templates that would be affected by this
change, but if you happen to encounter any templates that open tables
using the HTML syntax but don't close them (or vice-versa), please
convert them to the wiki syntax at [[Trợ giúp:Tạo bảng]] for now.
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Template HTML fixups coming this week
Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 14:48:26 -0700
From: Brion Vibber <brion-e+AXbWqSrlAAvxtiuMwx3w(a)public.gmane.org>
Reply-To: Wikimedia developers
<wikitech-l-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA(a)public.gmane.org>
CC: English Wikipedia
<wikien-l-g2DCOkC13y2GglJvpFV4uA(a)public.gmane.org>, Wikimedia developers
<wikitech-l-AeOJrEpdGNeGglJvpFV4uA(a)public.gmane.org>
Newsgroups:
gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.technical,gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.english
Just a heads-up, folks:
Later this week I'm going to be installing a fix for some longstanding
bugs with
HTML in wiki pages. One of the issues is a difference in rendering of
templates
that improperly nest HTML tags, which caused certain badly-written
templates to
render in one way on Wikipedia but wildly broken on most other wikis.
(Don't forget that an important part of what Wikipedia & its sister
projects are
about is making information sharable and reusable. If the code breaks when
copied to another site, that's Bad.)
Once the fix is in, templates should render about the same on Wikipedia and
other wikis where the "HTML Tidy" plugin isn't being used. The bad news
is that
some of these templates will be broken; so it would be great if we can
make sure
they get cleaned up.
Problem templates are mostly those which start an HTML tag in one
template, then
finish it in another. For instance if {{table-header}} contains a
<table>, and
then the table rows and final </table> are in another template entirely.
These
have always broken on regular MediaWiki -- the template is required to
close its
own tags -- though they sometimes appeared to work on Wikipedia due to
bugs with
our HTML handling when Tidy is enabled.
I've done some automated checks on templates on en.wikipedia.org to make
a list
of likely problem candidates:
http://leuksman.com/misc/templates/html-table-start.txthttp://leuksman.com/misc/templates/html-table-end.txthttp://leuksman.com/misc/templates/html-table-row.txt
If you've got a template that you're not sure if it will work, try
copying it to
my test wiki at http://test.leuksman.com/ . This has the fix installed
with the
corrected behavior, so you can see about how it will render on Wikipedia
next week.
Please make sure this information is disseminated to the various other
language
and project wikis people are working on; I don't want to hear "waah! all my
templates broke and no one told me!" next week. :)
For the moment the same kind of construct with wiki tables ({| ... |}) will
still work, but note that some time in the future we're going to have to
look at
'fixing' that too. (This might require some enhancements to how
templates work
to make it easier to fill in long tables.)
-- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
--
Minh Nguyen <mxn(a)zoomtown.com>
AIM: trycom2000; Jabber: mxn(a)myjabber.net; Blog: http://mxn.f2o.org/
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gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.vietnamese and
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More potential application : {{đang dịch}}. And probably more to come, which serve well house-keeping work.
From: tttrung(a)hotmail.comTo: wikivi-l(a)mail.wikimedia.orgDate: Fri, 26 May 2006 09:29:07 +0000Subject: [Wikivi-l] Vote for my bug
Hi,
I am envisaging a template without "subst:", by using newly proposed variables at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6092. The new variables could save a burden of "subst:" for templates that need date of a revision of a page, and be applicable to "automatic" template on upload page. Potential application will be {{copyvio}}, {{somewebite}}, {{Chất lượng kém}}...
If you think these are useful, please vote.
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Hi,
I am envisaging a template without "subst:", by using newly proposed variables at http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6092. The new variables could save a burden of "subst:" for templates that need date of a revision of a page, and be applicable to "automatic" template on upload page. Potential application will be {{copyvio}}, {{somewebite}}, {{Chất lượng kém}}...
If you think these are useful, please vote.
Trung.
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> >> > Quang T. Nguyen wrote:> > > >> Is anybody there ? ☺> >>
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On 5/26/06, Minh Nguyen <mxn(a)zoomtown.com> wrote:
> newsgroups, like I do, I've submitted this mailing list to Gmane
> <http://www.gmane.org/>, and I'll let you know when they add it to the
I submitted this ML to Gmane several days ago
(http://news.gmane.org/gmane.science.linguistics.wikipedia.vietnamese),
but it's not been added there yet, probably because there are not many
mails here ;-). Hope they will add this soon, by the submission of
Minh Nguyen.
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