Definition lists are underused.
People usually prefers to format themselves to fit their preferences than to use the "; :„ syntax, or custom templates (theorem, examples, …)
It’s not without good reasons : it’s kird of unaesy to do multilne definitions, they can’t be easily styled, the imbrication beetween dls and ul and on is tricky once you want to do something elaborated.
Yet using dls could allow us to better annotate semantically our articles. Any idea on how to make their usage easier and to style them ? We can style tables, lists are not as easy to style.
On Tue, 2017-08-22 at 12:22 +0200, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Definition lists are underused.
People usually prefers to format themselves to fit their preferences than to use the "; :„ syntax, or custom templates (theorem, examples, …)
It’s not without good reasons : it’s kird of unaesy to do multilne definitions, they can’t be easily styled, the imbrication beetween dls and ul and on is tricky once you want to do something elaborated.
Yet using dls could allow us to better annotate semantically our articles. Any idea on how to make their usage easier and to style them ? We can style tables, lists are not as easy to style.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Glossaries ? Or do you ask for some 'technical' nudging to 'enforce' a format?
andre
I’m aware of this syntax. There is issues with this.
One is that we can’t easyli apply a CSS on it. On tables, it’s possible to add «|class=wikitable» is possible, not in dls. I encountered cases where people did not like the display style and replaced by bulleted list and bold where semantically a dl would have been better.
An example o https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Th%C3%A9or%C3%A8me
2017-08-22 13:47 GMT+02:00 Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, 2017-08-22 at 12:22 +0200, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Definition lists are underused.
People usually prefers to format themselves to fit their preferences than to use the "; :„ syntax, or custom templates (theorem, examples, …)
It’s not without good reasons : it’s kird of unaesy to do multilne definitions, they can’t be easily styled, the imbrication beetween dls and ul and on is tricky once you want to do something elaborated.
Yet using dls could allow us to better annotate semantically our articles. Any idea on how to make their usage easier and to style them ? We can style tables, lists are not as easy to style.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Glossaries ? Or do you ask for some 'technical' nudging to 'enforce' a format?
andre
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I’m aware of this syntax. There is issues with this.
One is that we can’t easyli apply a CSS on it. On tables, it’s possible to add «|class=wikitable» is possible, not in dls. I encountered cases where people did not like the display style and replaced by bulleted list and bold where semantically a dl would have been better.
One other problem is that it’s hard to differentiate a multiline definition from multiple définitions
An example of a template that could be a usecase, in math : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Th%C3%A9or%C3%A8me
Or do you ask for some 'technical' nudging to 'enforce' a format?
Yes, technical solution would help of course, a more visible UI trick to build glossaries would help. But I think a more fundamental thinking about current status of glossaries or other stuffs with a legend/definition would be a good thing to work with this largely unknown wikitext and HTML feature. «:» is known … to indent, and «;» is knows … to bolden. But it’s not understood as a way to build a list of answer to a post …
2017-08-22 15:09 GMT+02:00 Thomas Douillard thomas.douillard@gmail.com:
I’m aware of this syntax. There is issues with this.
One is that we can’t easyli apply a CSS on it. On tables, it’s possible to add «|class=wikitable» is possible, not in dls. I encountered cases where people did not like the display style and replaced by bulleted list and bold where semantically a dl would have been better.
An example o https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Th%C3%A9or%C3%A8me
2017-08-22 13:47 GMT+02:00 Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, 2017-08-22 at 12:22 +0200, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Definition lists are underused.
People usually prefers to format themselves to fit their preferences than to use the "; :„ syntax, or custom templates (theorem, examples, …)
It’s not without good reasons : it’s kird of unaesy to do multilne definitions, they can’t be easily styled, the imbrication beetween dls and ul and on is tricky once you want to do something elaborated.
Yet using dls could allow us to better annotate semantically our articles. Any idea on how to make their usage easier and to style them ? We can style tables, lists are not as easy to style.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Glossaries ? Or do you ask for some 'technical' nudging to 'enforce' a format?
andre
Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
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Also, related to the math example, I think something pretty cool for maths for example, would be support of semantic annotations like the one described in this Book : https://books.google.fr/books?id=0Iq6BQAAQBAJ&pg=PA178&lpg=PA178&...
2017-08-22 15:22 GMT+02:00 Thomas Douillard thomas.douillard@gmail.com:
(Please forget the precedinng message)
I’m aware of this syntax. There is issues with this.
One is that we can’t easyli apply a CSS on it. On tables, it’s possible to add «|class=wikitable» is possible, not in dls. I encountered cases where people did not like the display style and replaced by bulleted list and bold where semantically a dl would have been better.
One other problem is that it’s hard to differentiate a multiline definition from multiple définitions
An example of a template that could be a usecase, in math : https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Th%C3%A9or%C3%A8me
Or do you ask for some 'technical' nudging to 'enforce' a format?
Yes, technical solution would help of course, a more visible UI trick to build glossaries would help. But I think a more fundamental thinking about current status of glossaries or other stuffs with a legend/definition would be a good thing to work with this largely unknown wikitext and HTML feature. «:» is known … to indent, and «;» is knows … to bolden. But it’s not understood as a way to build a list of answer to a post …
2017-08-22 15:09 GMT+02:00 Thomas Douillard thomas.douillard@gmail.com:
I’m aware of this syntax. There is issues with this.
One is that we can’t easyli apply a CSS on it. On tables, it’s possible to add «|class=wikitable» is possible, not in dls. I encountered cases where people did not like the display style and replaced by bulleted list and bold where semantically a dl would have been better.
An example o https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mod%C3%A8le:Th%C3%A9or%C3%A8me
2017-08-22 13:47 GMT+02:00 Andre Klapper aklapper@wikimedia.org:
On Tue, 2017-08-22 at 12:22 +0200, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Definition lists are underused.
People usually prefers to format themselves to fit their preferences than to use the "; :„ syntax, or custom templates (theorem, examples, …)
It’s not without good reasons : it’s kird of unaesy to do multilne definitions, they can’t be easily styled, the imbrication beetween dls and ul and on is tricky once you want to do something elaborated.
Yet using dls could allow us to better annotate semantically our articles. Any idea on how to make their usage easier and to style them ? We can style tables, lists are not as easy to style.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Glossaries ? Or do you ask for some 'technical' nudging to 'enforce' a format?
andre
Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/
Wikitext-l mailing list Wikitext-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitext-l
Le 22/08/2017 à 15:22, Thomas Douillard a écrit :
Or do you ask for some 'technical' nudging to 'enforce' a format?
Yes, technical solution would help of course, a more visible UI trick to build glossaries would help. But I think a more fundamental thinking about current status of glossaries or other stuffs with a legend/definition would be a good thing to work with this largely unknown wikitext and HTML feature. «:» is known … to indent, and «;» is knows … to bolden. But it’s not understood as a way to build a list of answer to a post …
Yeah, I had nightmares after realizing that colon (:) wasn't rendered with an matching semantic structure. :P
By the way, I'm still waiting feedback on the talk page: https://www.mediawiki.org/w/index.php?title=Topic:Tgv7g2my71o7syir&topic...
Le 22/08/2017 à 13:47, Andre Klapper a écrit :
On Tue, 2017-08-22 at 12:22 +0200, Thomas Douillard wrote:
Definition lists are underused.
People usually prefers to format themselves to fit their preferences than to use the "; :„ syntax, or custom templates (theorem, examples, …)
It’s not without good reasons : it’s kird of unaesy to do multilne definitions, they can’t be easily styled, the imbrication beetween dls and ul and on is tricky once you want to do something elaborated.
Yet using dls could allow us to better annotate semantically our articles. Any idea on how to make their usage easier and to style them ? We can style tables, lists are not as easy to style.
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Glossaries ? Or do you ask for some 'technical' nudging to 'enforce' a format?
andre
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