Aw man, templates suck!
After some more surfing, I can only say that the current situation is already confusing enough. For example, when an IP does not see an edit button, but clicks on "History", the edit-button appears. Mh. Somehow, Arnomanes idea of an editbutton that behaves situation dependend becomes more appealing, as dows the main GUI. I'lll think some more on this.
I found one more minor point that could improve usability: in the Reviewing Box, the review button could be moved to the right of the selector menus. The point is, that in the case that there is only one dimension of flags, this makes the box much more compact (the button would be where "Depth" is now). And I think most wikis will use this setting.
Best wishes,
Philipp
2007/9/4, Aaron Schulz jschulz_4587@msn.com:
I'm just worried it will be inconsistent and confusing. Some pages will have an edit tab and some won't, when both are editable. Some people may assume they can't edit pages that don't have an edit tab then. Not to mention it's not really correct to say one 'edits' the stable version, and the templates/images can be quite different then what they were supposedly editing.
Having a tab like 'draft (editable)' or something for the short UI might be better. It would consistently convey that users can edit, and even if the stable version is a few revs behind. Sighted versions should scale, but there may be some small edits/spelling corrections/tweaks that are pending review, even if it's just 1-3 edits.
-Aaron Schulz
From: "P. Birken" pbirken@gmail.com Reply-To: Wikimedia Quality Discussions wikiquality-l@lists.wikimedia.org To: "Wikimedia Quality Discussions" wikiquality-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikiquality-l] Issues with FlaggedRevs Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 21:20:46 +0200
Yes, it is not clear wether this will scale or not. I am reasonably sure that it will on de, but of course I cannot be certain. But, what's your reason to remove the editbutton, when the current version is the sighted one?
Best wishes,
Philipp
2007/9/3, Aaron Schulz jschulz_4587@msn.com:
I am not sure the top revision will be sighted most of the time. So we
could
still see many pages with no 'edit' tab. In the standard UI, editing is conveyed in the message. For the .de one, something is needed to make it clear that you can edit. Maybe a 'draft' tab would help for these cases?
-Aaron Schulz
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To: "Wikimedia Quality Discussions" wikiquality-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikiquality-l] Issues with FlaggedRevs Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2007 18:32:58 +0200
Hiho,
I have one minor and two major points:
i) Minor: When browsing through the version history, I think the status of that version should show.
ii) Major: Currently, when there is a quality version, this overrides a younger sighted version. This is not as it was planned and since quality versions do not scale, this would lead to readers seeing usually rather outdated versions of articles. I think that the value of quality versions is mostly as a tool of going systematically through our article base and for those who want to reuse our content. It might be, that for example WikiSource or WikiNews might find the current setting useful, but I don't think that this is a good idea for Wikipedia.
iii) Major: When the current version is sighted, an IP still does not see the edit button. This is a major restriction for IPs and is factually something like "IPs cannot edit here anymore". While not fundamentally opposed to this, this is a very deep topic and it is in my opinion not this extension that should answer this. Either we do not want IPs to edit, than we should shut them down, but please not via a backdoor from an extension that is about different things. So, please make it so that IPs see an edit button when the current version is sighted.
Bye,
Philipp
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