Hi Wikimetricians,
1. Does Wikimetrics count files uploaded to Commons as new pages?
2. Does Wikimetrics count new versions of files that are uploaded to Commons over old versions as edits?
3. Is there an automated way to see how many pageviews and thumbnail views happened to pages and Commons files after those pages and Commons files were touched by editors who are noted in a Wikimetrics report? Viewership is one way of measuring impact, and I think it would be interesting to measure the impact of a Wikimetrics cohort in this way.
Thanks!
Pine
Does Wikimetrics count files uploaded to Commons as new pages? 2. Does Wikimetrics count new versions of files that are uploaded to
Commons over old versions as edits? No, I do not think so. this describes the pages created metric: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Daily_pages_created .
- Is there an automated way to see how many pageviews and thumbnail views
happened to pages and Commons files after those pages and Commons files were touched >by editors who are noted in a Wikimetrics report? Viewership is one way of measuring impact, and I think it would be interesting to measure the impact of a Wikimetrics cohort >in this way. No, we have no plans to implement these changes, we are doing basic maintenance work in wikimetrics but no new development for the foreseeable future.
Thanks,
Nuria
On Sun, Apr 24, 2016 at 6:32 PM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Wikimetricians,
Does Wikimetrics count files uploaded to Commons as new pages?
Does Wikimetrics count new versions of files that are uploaded to
Commons over old versions as edits?
- Is there an automated way to see how many pageviews and thumbnail views
happened to pages and Commons files after those pages and Commons files were touched by editors who are noted in a Wikimetrics report? Viewership is one way of measuring impact, and I think it would be interesting to measure the impact of a Wikimetrics cohort in this way.
Thanks!
Pine
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Apologies for the following vague message, I'm travelling and have limited access to my laptop.
Pine, I think file uploads create a file description page which should get counted by the Pages Created metric. I believe others have used this on wikimetrics in this way. It would be easy to test: make a cohort of just one person who you know uploaded some files and run that metric for that person for the timespan when they created the files. If it works as you expect, report back. There should be some way easy way for our community to count those uploads.
On Monday, April 25, 2016, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Wikimetricians,
Does Wikimetrics count files uploaded to Commons as new pages?
Does Wikimetrics count new versions of files that are uploaded to
Commons over old versions as edits?
- Is there an automated way to see how many pageviews and thumbnail views
happened to pages and Commons files after those pages and Commons files were touched by editors who are noted in a Wikimetrics report? Viewership is one way of measuring impact, and I think it would be interesting to measure the impact of a Wikimetrics cohort in this way.
Thanks!
Pine
They count as pages created, but not in the main namespace (ns 0). Does global metrics differentiate between main namespace and non-main namespace pages?
— James Hare Secretary, Wikimedia DC https://wikimediadc.org @wikimediadc
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Dan Andreescu wrote:
Apologies for the following vague message, I'm travelling and have limited access to my laptop.
Pine, I think file uploads create a file description page which should get counted by the Pages Created metric. I believe others have used this on wikimetrics in this way. It would be easy to test: make a cohort of just one person who you know uploaded some files and run that metric for that person for the timespan when they created the files. If it works as you expect, report back. There should be some way easy way for our community to count those uploads.
On Monday, April 25, 2016, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com (mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com)> wrote:
Hi Wikimetricians,
Does Wikimetrics count files uploaded to Commons as new pages?
Does Wikimetrics count new versions of files that are uploaded to Commons over old versions as edits?
Is there an automated way to see how many pageviews and thumbnail views happened to pages and Commons files after those pages and Commons files were touched by editors who are noted in a Wikimetrics report? Viewership is one way of measuring impact, and I think it would be interesting to measure the impact of a Wikimetrics cohort in this way.
Thanks!
Pine
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For images you look to namespace 6 for pages created, once created, I understood them to be edits to the file rather than new pages rather. Nuria and Dan, can you clarify why if this wouldn't be the case?
As for cohort and page view data intersections, there is not a tool that I know that considers page data and user data together, but looking pre-post at the page views may be helpful.
Thanks,
Jaime
On Apr 25, 2016, at 7:01 PM, James Hare james.hare@wikidc.org wrote:
They count as pages created, but not in the main namespace (ns 0). Does global metrics differentiate between main namespace and non-main namespace pages?
— James Hare Secretary, Wikimedia DC https://wikimediadc.org @wikimediadc
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Dan Andreescu wrote:
Apologies for the following vague message, I'm travelling and have limited access to my laptop.
Pine, I think file uploads create a file description page which should get counted by the Pages Created metric. I believe others have used this on wikimetrics in this way. It would be easy to test: make a cohort of just one person who you know uploaded some files and run that metric for that person for the timespan when they created the files. If it works as you expect, report back. There should be some way easy way for our community to count those uploads.
On Monday, April 25, 2016, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote: Hi Wikimetricians,
Does Wikimetrics count files uploaded to Commons as new pages?
Does Wikimetrics count new versions of files that are uploaded to Commons over old versions as edits?
Is there an automated way to see how many pageviews and thumbnail views happened to pages and Commons files after those pages and Commons files were touched by editors who are noted in a Wikimetrics report? Viewership is one way of measuring impact, and I think it would be interesting to measure the impact of a Wikimetrics cohort in this way.
Thanks!
Pine
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That's right, namespace 6! Thanks Jaime
On Tuesday, April 26, 2016, Jaime Anstee janstee@wikimedia.org wrote:
For images you look to namespace 6 for pages created, once created, I understood them to be edits to the file rather than new pages rather. Nuria and Dan, can you clarify why if this wouldn't be the case?
As for cohort and page view data intersections, there is not a tool that I know that considers page data and user data together, but looking pre-post at the page views may be helpful.
Thanks,
Jaime
On Apr 25, 2016, at 7:01 PM, James Hare <james.hare@wikidc.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','james.hare@wikidc.org');> wrote:
They count as pages created, but not in the main namespace (ns 0). Does global metrics differentiate between main namespace and non-main namespace pages?
— James Hare Secretary, Wikimedia DC https://wikimediadc.org @wikimediadc
On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 10:00 PM, Dan Andreescu wrote:
Apologies for the following vague message, I'm travelling and have limited access to my laptop.
Pine, I think file uploads create a file description page which should get counted by the Pages Created metric. I believe others have used this on wikimetrics in this way. It would be easy to test: make a cohort of just one person who you know uploaded some files and run that metric for that person for the timespan when they created the files. If it works as you expect, report back. There should be some way easy way for our community to count those uploads.
On Monday, April 25, 2016, Pine W <wiki.pine@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','wiki.pine@gmail.com');> wrote:
Hi Wikimetricians,
Does Wikimetrics count files uploaded to Commons as new pages?
Does Wikimetrics count new versions of files that are uploaded to
Commons over old versions as edits?
- Is there an automated way to see how many pageviews and thumbnail views
happened to pages and Commons files after those pages and Commons files were touched by editors who are noted in a Wikimetrics report? Viewership is one way of measuring impact, and I think it would be interesting to measure the impact of a Wikimetrics cohort in this way.
Thanks!
Pine
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Hullo Pine,
On Monday, April 25, 2016, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
- Is there an automated way to see how many pageviews and thumbnail
views happened to pages and Commons files after those pages and Commons files were touched by editors who are noted in a Wikimetrics report? Viewership is one way of measuring impact, and I think it would be interesting to measure the impact of a Wikimetrics cohort in this way.
While this isn't something Wikimetrics can do, there are other tools to look at pageviews of pages improved by a cohort. GLAMorous 2 http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/glamorous/ [1] calculates the number of pages improved by media uploaded and the pageviews of those pages by category, pagepile, or user.
What do you mean by "thumbnail views" and how does that differ from pageviews?
I also feel compelled to add that just as viewership is a facet of impact, pageviews on wiki projects is a facet of viewership. Who knows how much content and how many curricula have been enriched with our freely licensed pictures of cuttlefish or the dome of Santa Maria del Fiore? (Seriously, if anyone is looking at answering questions like these, I would love to hear about it!)
Hope that helps--
Cheers, Amanda
Also, if it's any help to mention....
I have been very happy with this SUL tool, which I have used to confirm user names, edit counts, and which areas of Wikimedia / Wikipedia new and experienced editors are editing. I set up a VLOOKUP that I use to confirm user names, and use the user ID as the control / unique identifier (i.e., User ID : 27454434).
https://tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo.php
example: https://tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo.php?username=BrillL...
I set this up for the WM NYC 2015 Metrics document, as the first step for gathering metrics is gathering names of users who are participating in editathons.
And yes, I am ashamed how low my Wikidata edit count is. :-)
- Erika
p.s. Also notice there's another tool -- for unified accounts only:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth
example: https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&targe...
On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 3:16 PM, Amanda Bittaker abittaker@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hullo Pine,
On Monday, April 25, 2016, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
- Is there an automated way to see how many pageviews and thumbnail
views happened to pages and Commons files after those pages and Commons files were touched by editors who are noted in a Wikimetrics report? Viewership is one way of measuring impact, and I think it would be interesting to measure the impact of a Wikimetrics cohort in this way.
While this isn't something Wikimetrics can do, there are other tools to look at pageviews of pages improved by a cohort. GLAMorous 2 http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/glamorous/ [1] calculates the number of pages improved by media uploaded and the pageviews of those pages by category, pagepile, or user.
What do you mean by "thumbnail views" and how does that differ from pageviews?
I also feel compelled to add that just as viewership is a facet of impact, pageviews on wiki projects is a facet of viewership. Who knows how much content and how many curricula have been enriched with our freely licensed pictures of cuttlefish or the dome of Santa Maria del Fiore? (Seriously, if anyone is looking at answering questions like these, I would love to hear about it!)
Hope that helps--
Cheers, Amanda
[1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/glamorous/
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On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 7:43 AM, Erika Herzog < erikaherzog.postcard@gmail.com> wrote:
Also, if it's any help to mention....
I have been very happy with this SUL tool, which I have used to confirm user names, edit counts, and which areas of Wikimedia / Wikipedia new and experienced editors are editing. I set up a VLOOKUP that I use to confirm user names, and use the user ID as the control / unique identifier (i.e., User ID : 27454434).
https://tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo.php
example:
https://tools.wmflabs.org/quentinv57-tools/tools/sulinfo.php?username=BrillL...
I set this up for the WM NYC 2015 Metrics document, as the first step for gathering metrics is gathering names of users who are participating in editathons.
And yes, I am ashamed how low my Wikidata edit count is. :-)
- Erika
p.s. Also notice there's another tool -- for unified accounts only:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth
example:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ACentralAuth&targe...
Neat! Thanks for sharing these Erika!
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