Hello Folks!
I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!
On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation was as below.
*Alex*: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we
work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah....
*Museum directorate*: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia on Google I will
find it? (Was just hilarious:)
Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this premises and this is why.
On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures. The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.
My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall definitely be provided.
Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it with some light......?
My thoughts.
//Stephen
My dear Steve, Waswahili wasema subira huvuta heri. I am going to speak about the Kenya National Archives, because it's the partnership that I'm focused on. Yes, we have been moving at a sluggish rate. Sometimes it's my fault, sometimes it's theirs. But, IMO, most partnerships don't take overnight to seal. They take months, or even years. And that has nothing to do with Kenya or the government. It's the business norm. The British Museum -- the first cultural institution to host a Residency program -- took months to accept it. The Museum of Islamic Art in Qatar is still in talks with Wikimedia -- these talks started (I think) 10 months ago. This agreement is not just a piece of paper saying that we will edit Wikipedia and take photos. It involves Museum personnel/staff -- meaning that they'll agree to devote their time to contribute to Wikipedia. So all in all, it involves the Museum agreeing to dedicate (some of) its resources to us -- whether its time or money. It also has a binding agreement, explicitly stating that they have to stick to the terms and conditions of the partnership. (e.g. what will you do if a senior staff member forbids you to take photos of their gallery?) If you want to go ahead and carry out this project unofficially, then go ahead. I just hope that you (and everyone else who is in an official capacity to represent Wikimedia Kenya) knows that if we want to form partnerships, these things will take time. And there may be a shortcut this time round (which has its limitations), there may not be a shortcut next time. You talked about calling an AGM with the stakeholders. What stakeholders specifically? You also talked about most government institutions being ignorant about Wikipedia. While this statement may be true, I assure you that after more than 5 meetings with the Kenya National Archives Management team, they at least know the basics :-) You also talked about carrying out editathons and taking photos at the Murumbi Gallery (the gallery found at the entrance of the Archives). Do you know that this gallery is barely 1% of what the Kenya National Archives has? Yes, 1%. The Kenya National Archives is not a place which is supposed to host artifacts per se, but most importantly, it houses millions of records, transcripts, maps, agreements, videos, audio files related to Kenyan history. These records -- not the gallery -- are the essence of the Archives. It is these records, about Mau Mau, about East African Railways, about Tom Mboya -- that can be found nowhere else, that they have. So, if this deal really happens, the bulk of the work will be to digitize/scan these records and upload them to Wikisource. Although I think that we should also do what you said with the Murumbi Gallery, the bulk of the work still is the mass upload as well as putting up the descriptions (metadata) of each upload. I am not supposed to talk about this, since it's still not yet official. But many of you probably didn't know what will really be happening, if this partnership actually takes place with the Archives. Thanks,Abbas.
From: stevewanjau@wikimedia.or.ke Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:20:10 +0300 To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects
Hello Folks!
I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!
On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation was as below.
Alex: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah....
Museum directorate: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia on Google I will find it? (Was just hilarious:)
Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this premises and this is why.
On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures. The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.
My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall definitely be provided.
Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it with some light......?
My thoughts.
//Stephen-- Wikimedia Kenya Board Member & Treasurer
_______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
And I hate lengthy emails like this ones here :-)
Good points folks though, I hope we all agree to that.
Steve rem you too dint know anything about Wikipedia and mailing lists before I recruited you :-), and so many of us. And I guess thats why we exist as WMKE ....
Cheers,
@Oscar,
I like your attitude. We would not exist as a group if everyone knew what they needed to know. Wikipedia is about sharing information/knowledge and the more channels we use the better. We are the human Wiki in this case, let them know.
David.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
And I hate lengthy emails like this ones here :-)
Good points folks though, I hope we all agree to that.
Steve rem you too dint know anything about Wikipedia and mailing lists before I recruited you :-), and so many of us. And I guess thats why we exist as WMKE ....
Cheers,
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Hello,
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:45 AM, David Mugo raidarmax@gmail.com wrote:
@Oscar,
I like your attitude. We would not exist as a group if everyone knew what they needed to know. Wikipedia is about sharing information/knowledge and the more channels we use the better. We are the human Wiki in this case, let them know.
Phrase of the day "Human Wiki" learning never stops and I just learnt we can be human wikis..See?
David.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
And I hate lengthy emails like this ones here :-)
Good points folks though, I hope we all agree to that.
Steve rem you too dint know anything about Wikipedia and mailing lists before I recruited you :-), and so many of us. And I guess thats why we exist as WMKE ....
Cheers,
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
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Steve,
Not to be mean nor evil, by I hate lengthy emails I actually meant yea If we could keep the emails shorter and on point, we could make more meaningful communication. Lots of people here have dozens of other engagements that involve email exchange and replyng to the same thread in multiple ways is spam and non-communicative.
Yes I am on internal but we cannot compare the kind of politics that happens there to our community discussion list. And no one questioned your contribution to Wikimedia and recognition for the same. Wikipedias hardly show- off their achievements, rather ....
Anyone who hates this lengthy emails as I do? I mean they dont communicate as I end up never reading them but just scan them....
Hello!
My reply follows your email.
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 8:42 AM, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
And I hate lengthy emails like this ones here :-)
Wikipedians like to write. BTW, Are on the internal mailing list? (Asking for a friend again)
Good points folks though, I hope we all agree to that.
Steve rem you too dint know anything about Wikipedia and mailing lists before I recruited you :-), and so many of us. And I guess thats why we exist as WMKE ....
Probably I have been an evil student in reporting about my advancements but be rest assured I have been performing great as you can see progress here. http://toolserver.org/%7Equentinv57/sulinfo/Stephenwanjau
I have also bagged several recognition awards from other Wikimedia users as seen here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stephenwanjau. Am also part of the Wikification team that works to clear the back log of articles that need to be wikified.
Plus so much more, I just want to keep this email short.
//Stephen
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Hello,
My reply is in line.
Being on the board doesn't denote that whichever communications commencing from me is the position or stance of the chapter whatsoever, unless otherwise unambiguously stated in the start section of my E-mail. Clear?
My dear Steve,
Waswahili wasema subira huvuta heri.
Yeah I concur but the same Waswahili said, Ngoja ngoja huumiza matumbo :) and how comes nowadays they don't 'sema' :)
I am going to speak about the Kenya National Archives, because it's the partnership that I'm focused on. Yes, we have been moving at a sluggish rate. Sometimes it's my fault, sometimes it's theirs. But, IMO, most partnerships don't take overnight to seal. They take months, or even years. And that has nothing to do with Kenya or the government. It's the business norm. The British Museum -- the first cultural institution to host a Residency program -- took months to accept it. The Museum of Islamic Art in Qatar is still in talks with Wikimedia -- these talks started (I think) 10 months ago. This agreement is not just a piece of paper saying that we will edit Wikipedia and take photos. It involves Museum personnel/staff -- meaning that they'll agree to devote their time to contribute to Wikipedia. So all in all, it involves the Museum agreeing to dedicate (some of) its resources to us -- whether its time or money. It also has a binding agreement, explicitly stating that they have to stick to the terms and conditions of the partnership. (e.g. what will you do if a senior staff member forbids you to take photos of their gallery?)
Hey! You got me wide off the mark from my Email. Am not saying we storm the museum and shockingly start having our own secluded tours or edit camps devoid of their accord.I cannot take staff members and the management and offer them a dose Wikimedicine minus the thought of the influence to their jobs and the welfare of the KNA. I personally cannot do that and I cannot tolerate such kind of behaviour.
There are undeniably some levels of access to the facility. I saw an opportunity to use their library as a source for references since it is open to public in exchange of a very small fee of $2.50 per year per head. This way we would even have a metric from this unofficial pilot of the kind and quantity of work and input that we expect at such a time when the partnership deal ripens. Personally I do not edit exclusively edit local articles for the reason that most of this info is still offline. At times you cannot take care of all the ‘ifs’ in advance even before the journey starts – we will cross the bridge when we get there. It is now five months and counting - just a caveat and probably a wake up call.
If you want to go ahead and carry out this project unofficially, then go ahead. I just hope that you (and everyone else who is in an official capacity to represent Wikimedia Kenya) knows that if we want to form partnerships, these things will take time. And there may be a shortcut this time round (which has its limitations), there may not be a shortcut next time.
There are without doubt no shortcuts not unless we execute an Italian job and take the material with us home and digitize bila presha na hustle.Does existence in the board mean that all I do or Email for that matter is the opinion of the chapter or a representation of the chapter’s deportment? (Asking for a friend.)
This was my personal opinion and it is in no way tagged to the other officials of the Wikimedia Kenya chapter. FYI, there are winning shortcuts like: Shift+alt+S which saves the changes in a Wiki edit interface.
You talked about calling an AGM with the stakeholders. What stakeholders
specifically? You also talked about most government institutions being ignorant about Wikipedia. While this statement may be true, I assure you that after more than 5 meetings with the Kenya National Archives Management team, they at least know the basics :-)
I was reporting of what materialized at our meeting while on quest for the list of monuments. I still wonder how the hell someone would ask if Wikipedia is on Google yet his office door label is a term far-fetched from the corporate IT lingo.
At the railways meseum, we were informed that there was suppossed to be a meeting from the head of KR to the toe as they discuss the partnership deal with us. Those are the kind of stakeholders I was talking about.
You also talked about carrying out editathons and taking photos at the Murumbi Gallery (the gallery found at the entrance of the Archives). Do you know that this gallery is barely 1% of what the Kenya National Archives has? Yes, 1%. The Kenya National Archives is not a place which is supposed to host artifacts per se, but most importantly, it houses millions of records, transcripts, maps, agreements, videos, audio files related to Kenyan history. These records -- not the gallery -- are the essence of the Archives. It is these records, about Mau Mau, about East African Railways, about Tom Mboya -- that can be found nowhere else, that they have.
Yeah I know there like a million and 1 of those at the premises to the extent that we might need to import volunteers to help us out or even hire Wikipedians in residence:) For the uploads and the Wikisource thing we will definitely have to wait till a GLAM partnership becomes of age since the license issues of these works come in plus some other legal aspects regarding the documents and so many other ‘ifs’ that we do not know as yet!
So, if this deal really happens, the bulk of the work will be to
digitize/scan these records and upload them to Wikisource. Although I think that we should also do what you said with the Murumbi Gallery, the bulk of the work still is the mass upload as well as putting up the descriptions (metadata) of each upload.
+1
I am not supposed to talk about this, since it's still not yet official. But many of you probably didn't know what will really be happening, if this partnership actually takes place with the Archives.
No you should, we are being open. In fact you are late:)... Abbas is open now.
regards, Stephen.
Steve, No, I will not divulge any more details. It is quite unprofessional for partnerships, that haven't been finalized yet, to be publicly announced. This is a public list, and I will not do that here. Ever wondered why the GLAM mailing list is a closed, subscription-only mailing list: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Contact ? Because most of the discussions that go on there are usually confidential. That is why Kul Wadhwa and the rest of the WMF Mobile Team don't give out details about the partnerships they _are about_ to make, until official announcements are made. SincerelyAbbas Mahmood.
From: stevewanjau@wikimedia.or.ke Date: Mon, 18 Jun 2012 13:47:32 +0300 To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects
Hello,
My reply is in line.
Being on the board doesn't denote that whichever communications commencing from me is the position or stance of the chapter whatsoever, unless otherwise unambiguously stated in the start section of my E-mail. Clear?
My dear Steve, Waswahili wasema subira huvuta heri. Yeah I concur but the same Waswahili said, Ngoja ngoja huumiza matumbo :) and how comes nowadays they don't 'sema' :)
I am going to speak about the Kenya National Archives, because it's the partnership that I'm focused on. Yes, we have been moving at a sluggish rate. Sometimes it's my fault, sometimes it's theirs. But, IMO, most partnerships don't take overnight to seal. They take months, or even years. And that has nothing to do with Kenya or the government. It's the business norm. The British Museum -- the first cultural institution to host a Residency program -- took months to accept it. The Museum of Islamic Art in Qatar is still in talks with Wikimedia -- these talks started (I think) 10 months ago. This agreement is not just a piece of paper saying that we will edit Wikipedia and take photos. It involves Museum personnel/staff -- meaning that they'll agree to devote their time to contribute to Wikipedia. So all in all, it involves the Museum agreeing to dedicate (some of) its resources to us -- whether its time or money. It also has a binding agreement, explicitly stating that they have to stick to the terms and conditions of the partnership. (e.g. what will you do if a senior staff member forbids you to take photos of their gallery?)
Hey! You got me wide off the mark from my Email. Am not saying we storm the museum and shockingly start having our own secluded tours or edit camps devoid of their accord.I cannot take staff members and the management and offer them a dose Wikimedicine minus the thought of the influence to their jobs and the welfare of the KNA. I personally cannot do that and I cannot tolerate such kind of behaviour.There are undeniably some levels of access to the facility. I saw an opportunity to use their library as a source for references since it is open to public in exchange of a very small fee of $2.50 per year per head. This way we would even have a metric from this unofficial pilot of the kind and quantity of work and input that we expect at such a time when the partnership deal ripens. Personally I do not edit exclusively edit local articles for the reason that most of this info is still offline. At times you cannot take care of all the ‘ifs’ in advance even before the journey starts – we will cross the bridge when we get there. It is now five months and counting - just a caveat and probably a wake up call.
If you want to go ahead and carry out this project unofficially, then go ahead. I just hope that you (and everyone else who is in an official capacity to represent Wikimedia Kenya) knows that if we want to form partnerships, these things will take time. And there may be a shortcut this time round (which has its limitations), there may not be a shortcut next time.
There are without doubt no shortcuts not unless we execute an Italian job and take the material with us home and digitize bila presha na hustle.Does existence in the board mean that all I do or Email for that matter is the opinion of the chapter or a representation of the chapter’s deportment? (Asking for a friend.)This was my personal opinion and it is in no way tagged to the other officials of the Wikimedia Kenya chapter. FYI, there are winning shortcuts like: Shift+alt+S which saves the changes in a Wiki edit interface.
You talked about calling an AGM with the stakeholders. What stakeholders specifically? You also talked about most government institutions being ignorant about Wikipedia. While this statement may be true, I assure you that after more than 5 meetings with the Kenya National Archives Management team, they at least know the basics :-)
I was reporting of what materialized at our meeting while on quest for the list of monuments. I still wonder how the hell someone would ask if Wikipedia is on Google yet his office door label is a term far-fetched from the corporate IT lingo. At the railways meseum, we were informed that there was suppossed to be a meeting from the head of KR to the toe as they discuss the partnership deal with us. Those are the kind of stakeholders I was talking about.
You also talked about carrying out editathons and taking photos at the Murumbi Gallery (the gallery found at the entrance of the Archives). Do you know that this gallery is barely 1% of what the Kenya National Archives has? Yes, 1%. The Kenya National Archives is not a place which is supposed to host artifacts per se, but most importantly, it houses millions of records, transcripts, maps, agreements, videos, audio files related to Kenyan history. These records -- not the gallery -- are the essence of the Archives. It is these records, about Mau Mau, about East African Railways, about Tom Mboya -- that can be found nowhere else, that they have.
Yeah I know there like a million and 1 of those at the premises to the extent that we might need to import volunteers to help us out or even hire Wikipedians in residence:) For the uploads and the Wikisource thing we will definitely have to wait till a GLAM partnership becomes of age since the license issues of these works come in plus some other legal aspects regarding the documents and so many other ‘ifs’ that we do not know as yet!
So, if this deal really happens, the bulk of the work will be to digitize/scan these records and upload them to Wikisource. Although I think that we should also do what you said with the Murumbi Gallery, the bulk of the work still is the mass upload as well as putting up the descriptions (metadata) of each upload.
+1
I am not supposed to talk about this, since it's still not yet official. But many of you probably didn't know what will really be happening, if this partnership actually takes place with the Archives.
No you should, we are being open. In fact you are late:)... Abbas is open now.
regards, Stephen.
_______________________________________________ WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
dear all to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests - to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within Share Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects. all the best iolanda
1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda - wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya). * Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM * Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]
2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.
3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand - they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to get started and to be able to then tell the public sector "hey, THEY are already doing it".
[1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.o... On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv
Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:
Hello Folks!
I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!
On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation was as below.
Alex: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah.... Museum directorate: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia on Google I will find it? (Was just hilarious:)
Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this premises and this is why.
On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures. The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.
My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall definitely be provided.
Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it with some light......?
My thoughts.
//Stephen
Wikimedia Kenya Board Member & Treasurer
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Hello Wikimedians!
As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the collaborations with the institutions in question.
Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to WP:KENYA etc.
From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't
no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of the copyright act at [1].
Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as any form of legal advise.
Have a good day.
regards //Stephen
1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa iolanda@pensa.it wrote:
dear all to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests - to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within Share Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects. all the best iolanda
- if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative
Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda - wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
- Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
- Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]
- it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can
ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.
- Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions
to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand - they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to get started and to be able to then tell the public sector "hey, THEY are already doing it".
[1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.o... On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv
Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:
Hello Folks!
I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!
On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation was as below.
*Alex*: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we
work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah....
*Museum directorate*: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia on Google I
will find it? (Was just hilarious:)
Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this premises and this is why.
On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures. The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.
My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall definitely be provided.
Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it with some light......?
My thoughts.
//Stephen
Wikimedia Kenya Board Member & Treasurer
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I usually use the Kenyan Constitution (Article 35 in the Bill of Rights) to argue my standpoint: "...every citizen has the right to access to information held by the state or any information that is held by another person and that is required for the exercise or protection of any right or fundamental freedom." --Abbas.
From: stevewanjau@wikimedia.or.ke Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:46:49 +0300 To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects
Hello Wikimedians!
As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the collaborations with the institutions in question.
Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to WP:KENYA etc.
From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of the copyright act at [1].
Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as any form of legal advise.
Have a good day.
regards //Stephen
1. http://www.copyright.go.ke/rough/copyright_act.pdf
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa iolanda@pensa.it wrote:
dear allto involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests - to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within Share Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects.
all the bestiolanda 1. if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda - wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
* Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM * Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1] 2. it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.
3. Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand - they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to get started and to be able to then tell the public sector "hey, THEY are already doing it".
[1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.o...
On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv
Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto: Hello Folks!
I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!
On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation was as below.
Alex: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah....
Museum directorate: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia on Google I will find it? (Was just hilarious:)
Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this premises and this is why.
On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures. The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.
My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall definitely be provided.
Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it with some light......?
My thoughts.
//Stephen-- Wikimedia Kenya Board Member & Treasurer
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Hello!
Yes, *right to access* is enshrined in the Kenyan constitution. What of how you use the material/information that you gained access to?
For instance, photographs of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta while he was in young etc. Yes we can access the photograph but are we allowed to use it in any way we wish (*freely*) and for that matter upload it to commons where we will no longer have control of what and where it will be used for illustrations or any other purpose.
IMO, We need to know about copyright expiry of some of these works according to the laws of Kenya, and the authors desired ways of attribution if any to ensure we do not step on anyone’s toes.
I would be interested to know whether there is a clause or chapter in our constitution that addresses the issue of intellectual property since it is the supreme law of Kenya.
PS: Anyone with a soft copy can as well forward the same.
//Stephen
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
I usually use the Kenyan Constitution (Article 35 in the Bill of Rights) to argue my standpoint:
"...every citizen has the right to access to information held by the state or any information that is held by another person and that is required for the exercise or protection of any right or fundamental freedom."
--Abbas.
From: stevewanjau@wikimedia.or.ke Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:46:49 +0300
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects
Hello Wikimedians!
As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the collaborations with the institutions in question.
Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to WP:KENYA etc.
From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of the copyright act at [1].
Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as any form of legal advise.
Have a good day.
regards //Stephen
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa iolanda@pensa.it wrote:
dear all to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests - to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within Share Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects. all the best iolanda
- if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs, Creative
Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda - wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
- Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
- Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]
- it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you can
ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.
- Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions
to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand - they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to get started and to be able to then tell the public sector "hey, THEY are already doing it".
[1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.o... On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv
Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:
Hello Folks!
I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!
On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation was as below.
*Alex*: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah....
*Museum directorate*: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia on Google I will find it? (Was just hilarious:)
Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this premises and this is why.
On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures. The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.
My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall definitely be provided.
Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it with some light......?
My thoughts.
//Stephen
Wikimedia Kenya Board Member & Treasurer
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
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Maybe it will be a good time we copied our Lawyer ( Abbas's namesake : :-) ) for advise?
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 11:11 AM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
Hello!
Yes, *right to access* is enshrined in the Kenyan constitution. What of how you use the material/information that you gained access to?
For instance, photographs of Mzee Jomo Kenyatta while he was in young etc. Yes we can access the photograph but are we allowed to use it in any way we wish (*freely*) and for that matter upload it to commons where we will no longer have control of what and where it will be used for illustrations or any other purpose.
IMO, We need to know about copyright expiry of some of these works according to the laws of Kenya, and the authors desired ways of attribution if any to ensure we do not step on anyone’s toes.
I would be interested to know whether there is a clause or chapter in our constitution that addresses the issue of intellectual property since it is the supreme law of Kenya.
PS: Anyone with a soft copy can as well forward the same.
//Stephen
On Tue, Jul 3, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.comwrote:
I usually use the Kenyan Constitution (Article 35 in the Bill of Rights) to argue my standpoint:
"...every citizen has the right to access to information held by the state or any information that is held by another person and that is required for the exercise or protection of any right or fundamental freedom."
--Abbas.
From: stevewanjau@wikimedia.or.ke Date: Tue, 3 Jul 2012 09:46:49 +0300
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Kenya National Archives and other GLAM projects
Hello Wikimedians!
As the talks and discussions for partnerships fair on, we also need to be preparing in the background some tools that will be handy during the collaborations with the institutions in question.
Such tools include but not limited to; Wikimedia commons KE licence templates, Customized barnster awards for members who contribute to WP:KENYA etc.
From my English understanding of the Kenya copyrights act , (since I ain't no lawyer: ) I understand that the copyright act of Kenya has some special provisions for local works of art and photography. You can get a copy of the copyright act at [1].
Please Note: Am not a lawyer and I have no legal background locally and internationally and thereforeany advise that I give should not be taken as any form of legal advise.
Have a good day.
regards //Stephen
On Mon, Jun 18, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Iolanda Pensa iolanda@pensa.it wrote:
dear all to involve institutions I think a good strategy is - as Stephen suggests
- to start. Below some hints related to my experience with GLAMs within
Share Your Knowledge and WikiAfrica projects. all the best iolanda
- if it can be useful we just made two short videos about GLAMs,
Creative Commons and Wikipedia (in English, the voice was recorded in south africa by the Africa Centre and one of them is the voice of Francis Awinda
- wikipedian in residence at the Africa Centre from Kenya).
- Share Your Knowledge WHY - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPWc18LswRM
- Share Your Knowledge HOW - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpYmtRmPdUc
you find the videos also on Wikimedia Commons [1]
- it can be productive to focus on specific contents. for example you
can ask a publisher to release with the open license cc by-sa only the biography of their authors and their book description; for an archive the story of the institutions (often already on their website); for an NGOs some of their promotional publications. those are contents institutions wish to share and they have less troubles in sharing. once they get started is easier to get more because they see how their contents are used.
- Public archives and museums are often the most difficult institutions
to involve in contributing to Wikipedia because - also if they understand - they do not know who can take the decision. Often they also require a formal agreement (which makes the collaboration even longer). it can be useful to target also NGOs, foundations and other private institutions, to get started and to be able to then tell the public sector "hey, THEY are already doing it".
[1] On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 1 WHY (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_1_Why_glamwiki.o... On Wikimedia Commons - Share Your Knowledge video 2 HOW (with final link to glamwiki.org) http://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Share_Your_Knowledge_2_How_glamwiki.ogv
Il giorno 18/giu/2012, alle ore 06:20, Stephen Wanjau ha scritto:
Hello Folks!
I have been physically following up on the subject of this email (together with Abbas and Alex) for sometime now and it seems the logistics and the speed with which these institutions are planning this are so slow that I feel I cant wait any longer. Those of you who have worked in the Kenyan government or for the Kenyan government definitely understand my concerns regarding the periods that they would take to decide on such a simple thing on what to do - probably call an AGM of the stakeholders.
In most of the cases, these guys do not understand the online stuff or even how the internet works let alone Wikipedia (which is our work anyway). At the end they will come to appreciate that it is a good thing - which it is always is.There was a time when we visited the Kenya Railways museum and the curator there was always confusing their institutional website with Wikipedia. He thought Wikipedians job is to improve organizational websites! we clarified and made it clear about this and on the next meeting he was at it again!
On our meeting with another directorate of the National Museums of Kenya, he asked whether he could find Wikipedia on Google search. the exact conversation was as below.
*Alex*: Hello, My name is Alex and am here with my colleague Steve and we work at Wikipedia. Wikipedia is ...blah blah blah....
*Museum directorate*: Do you mean if I search Wikipedia on Google I will find it? (Was just hilarious:)
Personally, I have not spoken to Kenya Archives about GLAM (though Abbas did). But I think we should just go ahead and organize editathons at this premises and this is why.
On Sunday 17th 2012 I was to meet with a friend in town who was running late and so I decided to part with 50 Kenyan shillings ($0.5) and enter the premise (Kenya National Archives) just to see what it holds. Plus I did not want to stand along the streets or sit on the benches due to the frequent IED attacks in Nairobi. It is rich in artifacts and even books about history of Kenya, royal visits to Kenya, Kenyatta's famous chair and to crown it all they have a library with articles about all these treasures. The receptionist in fact encouraged me to take photos with a camera even before I asked for permission. She even encouraged me to become a member of their library and I only needed to part with 200 KES for a year as subscription to access the material plus the artifacts of course.
My question is, can't we pay for this subscription and start using the library to write articles about Kenya now that they have offline references there? Probably on Weekends or even weekdays depending on the time one is free. I think the chapter can cushion the subscriptions if that would hinder any Wikipedian from accessing the facility. The internet shall definitely be provided.
Kenya is still dark and still in the dark continent. Can't we illuminate it with some light......?
My thoughts.
//Stephen
Wikimedia Kenya Board Member & Treasurer
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
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