I came across this and I would like to share.
click herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Kenya
//Stephen
the statistics are quite alarming.
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
I came across this and I would like to share.
click herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Kenya
//Stephen
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On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
I came across this and I would like to share. click herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Kenya
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Grace Kariuki gkariuki99@gmail.com wrote:
the statistics are quite alarming.
Are they? Are we worried about there not being a featured article on Women's sports in Kenya on English Wikipedia? How is that a priority? If we care about featured articles (and I'm not sure we should, very much), perhaps we can undertake to improve a more basic topic first, such as [[Kenya]], which is, as of this writing, not even a "Good Article" on English Wikipedia?
Likewise, is it at all meaningful that there was no Kenyan woman among the eight (8!) researchers employed at the foundation this summer? There was no Kenyan man, either. So what is the "perspective" this gives us on women in the movement?
What is it that you found alarming?
Asaf
there is always a starting point,and i think that we(women and men)in Kenya are at the starting point.good news is that,we are progressing.such statistics are there to challenge us not make us mourn.
On 2/13/12, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
I came across this and I would like to share. click herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Kenya
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Grace Kariuki gkariuki99@gmail.com wrote:
the statistics are quite alarming.
Are they? Are we worried about there not being a featured article on Women's sports in Kenya on English Wikipedia? How is that a priority? If we care about featured articles (and I'm not sure we should, very much), perhaps we can undertake to improve a more basic topic first, such as [[Kenya]], which is, as of this writing, not even a "Good Article" on English Wikipedia?
Likewise, is it at all meaningful that there was no Kenyan woman among the eight (8!) researchers employed at the foundation this summer? There was no Kenyan man, either. So what is the "perspective" this gives us on women in the movement?
What is it that you found alarming?
Asaf
Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation
@grace: i second and third that good opinion
On 15 February 2012 08:38, Grace Kariuki gkariuki99@gmail.com wrote:
there is always a starting point,and i think that we(women and men)in Kenya are at the starting point.good news is that,we are progressing.such statistics are there to challenge us not make us mourn.
On 2/13/12, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
I came across this and I would like to share. click here<
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Kenya%3E
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Grace Kariuki gkariuki99@gmail.com
wrote:
the statistics are quite alarming.
Are they? Are we worried about there not being a featured article on Women's sports in Kenya on English Wikipedia? How is that a priority?
If
we care about featured articles (and I'm not sure we should, very much), perhaps we can undertake to improve a more basic topic first, such as [[Kenya]], which is, as of this writing, not even a "Good Article" on English Wikipedia?
Likewise, is it at all meaningful that there was no Kenyan woman among
the
eight (8!) researchers employed at the foundation this summer? There was no Kenyan man, either. So what is the "perspective" this gives us on
women
in the movement?
What is it that you found alarming?
Asaf
Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation
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On 2/13/12, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
I came across this and I would like to share. click herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Kenya
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Grace Kariuki gkariuki99@gmail.com wrote:
the statistics are quite alarming.
Are they? Are we worried about there not being a featured article on Women's sports in Kenya on English Wikipedia? How is that a priority?
With all due respect, Asaf, I don't think its a question of prioritizing women's issues over content. It doesn't (and shouldn't, I believe) be an *either/or* issue. Ideally, we should be thinking of building inclusive, diverse communities who write a diverse range of Wikipedia articles. These two things go together, not in any particular order.
If
we care about featured articles (and I'm not sure we should, very much), perhaps we can undertake to improve a more basic topic first, such as [[Kenya]], which is, as of this writing, not even a "Good Article" on English Wikipedia?
Likewise, is it at all meaningful that there was no Kenyan woman among the eight (8!) researchers employed at the foundation this summer? There was no Kenyan man, either. So what is the "perspective" this gives us on women in the movement?
What is it that you found alarming?
Asaf
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This statistics are telling ...i mean no women active editors ,and men are not spared also ,no bureaucrat on MediaWiki of either gender, No Kenyan of either features in fundraising appeal , Now that we are the newest chapter we need to stand up and be counted ,personally i would love to take part in the next Fund raising appeal,
On 2/16/12, Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com wrote:
On 2/13/12, Asaf Bartov abartov@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 7:54 PM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
I came across this and I would like to share. click herehttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiWomenCamp/FAQ/Perspectives/Kenya
On Mon, Feb 13, 2012 at 8:59 AM, Grace Kariuki gkariuki99@gmail.com wrote:
the statistics are quite alarming.
Are they? Are we worried about there not being a featured article on Women's sports in Kenya on English Wikipedia? How is that a priority?
With all due respect, Asaf, I don't think its a question of prioritizing women's issues over content. It doesn't (and shouldn't, I believe) be an *either/or* issue. Ideally, we should be thinking of building inclusive, diverse communities who write a diverse range of Wikipedia articles. These two things go together, not in any particular order.
If
we care about featured articles (and I'm not sure we should, very much), perhaps we can undertake to improve a more basic topic first, such as [[Kenya]], which is, as of this writing, not even a "Good Article" on English Wikipedia?
Likewise, is it at all meaningful that there was no Kenyan woman among the eight (8!) researchers employed at the foundation this summer? There was no Kenyan man, either. So what is the "perspective" this gives us on women in the movement?
What is it that you found alarming?
Asaf
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2012 at 3:49 PM, Heather Ford hford@ushahidi.com wrote:
the statistics are quite alarming.
Are they? Are we worried about there not being a featured article on Women's sports in Kenya on English Wikipedia? How is that a priority?
With all due respect, Asaf, I don't think its a question of prioritizing women's issues over content. It doesn't (and shouldn't, I believe) be an *either/or* issue. Ideally, we should be thinking of building inclusive, diverse communities who write a diverse range of Wikipedia articles. These two things go together, not in any particular order.
It's not an either/or. My point with the [[Kenya]] example was not one of priority; it was that it's a superbly useless "perspective" on the (certainly existent) underrepresentation of women and women-related issues on all Wikipedias. The implied "OMG there's no featured article on women's basketball in Kenya!", when there's no featured article on _men's_ basketball in Kenya either, is just throwing sand in everyone's eyes.
My comment was intended to make Grace, and anyone possibly reading and agreeing with her statement that it is "worrying", realize that the "perspective" was a very misleading one. We would all do well to look for more meaningful ways of assessing coverage gaps on Wikipedia.
Asaf
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