Then I think the whole idea of privacy doesn't make sense if this is the case.
Personally I'd prefer if the whole thing was made open including the names but if guys aren't comfortable with this, the name field should be removed.
Alex.
On Wed Apr 20th, 2011 9:14 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Yes.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:31:47 +0300 From: coolsam726@gmail.com To: jkinyuru@gmail.com; wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
For privacy reasons, I will not mention any names when displaying the results.
Are you able to see the names of the survey participators yourself?
Samson Arosi Maosa,
Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology, Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering +254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five "In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a different (better) way?"
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I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important to prevent one from participating twice.
I also don't mind it open. Do you guys want it open, or should I remove the name field totally?
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:01:06 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Then I think the whole idea of privacy doesn't make sense if this is the case.
Personally I'd prefer if the whole thing was made open including the names but if guys aren't comfortable with this, the name field should be removed.
Alex.
On Wed Apr 20th, 2011 9:14 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Yes.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:31:47 +0300 From: coolsam726@gmail.com To: jkinyuru@gmail.com; wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
For privacy reasons, I will not mention any names when displaying the results.
Are you able to see the names of the survey participators yourself?
Samson Arosi Maosa,
Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology, Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering +254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five "In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a different (better) way?"
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Remove the name field so that people can open up and state their opinion without being afraid of being criticized.
Regards,
Kinyanjui On Apr 21, 2011, at 12:30 AM, Abbas Mahmood wrote:
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important to prevent one from participating twice.
I also don't mind it open. Do you guys want it open, or should I remove the name field totally?
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:01:06 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Then I think the whole idea of privacy doesn't make sense if this is the case.
Personally I'd prefer if the whole thing was made open including the names but if guys aren't comfortable with this, the name field should be removed.
Alex.
On Wed Apr 20th, 2011 9:14 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Yes.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:31:47 +0300 From: coolsam726@gmail.com To: jkinyuru@gmail.com; wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
For privacy reasons, I will not mention any names when displaying the results.
Are you able to see the names of the survey participators yourself?
Samson Arosi Maosa,
Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology, Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering +254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five "In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a different (better) way?"
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Greetings, the name field is quite an important part of this survey so as to prevent individuals from participating more than once since we currently lack a way of preventing such. However, these names shouldn't be revealed to anyone after the survey or when the results are being released. It is an important ethical rule when conducting a survey to protect the information given by your respondents. In case the team requires extra information regarding the survey i.e data analysis or interpretation, all be more than glad to help. Happy Easter to all. Riwa
On 4/21/11, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important to prevent one from participating twice.
I also don't mind it open. Do you guys want it open, or should I remove the name field totally?
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:01:06 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Then I think the whole idea of privacy doesn't make sense if this is the case.
Personally I'd prefer if the whole thing was made open including the names but if guys aren't comfortable with this, the name field should be removed.
Alex.
On Wed Apr 20th, 2011 9:14 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Yes.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:31:47 +0300 From: coolsam726@gmail.com To: jkinyuru@gmail.com; wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
For privacy reasons, I will not mention any names when displaying the results.
Are you able to see the names of the survey participators yourself?
Samson Arosi Maosa,
Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology, Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering +254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five "In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a different (better) way?"
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I totally agree with you Chris. However, I think the issue here is not whether or not we should have a name field, but rather the fact that I have access to the names which jeopardises the concept of privacy and the possibility of participants not opening up.
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 00:50:20 +0300 From: chriwaustin@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Greetings, the name field is quite an important part of this survey so as to prevent individuals from participating more than once since we currently lack a way of preventing such. However, these names shouldn't be revealed to anyone after the survey or when the results are being released. It is an important ethical rule when conducting a survey to protect the information given by your respondents. In case the team requires extra information regarding the survey i.e data analysis or interpretation, all be more than glad to help. Happy Easter to all. Riwa
On 4/21/11, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important to prevent one from participating twice.
I also don't mind it open. Do you guys want it open, or should I remove the name field totally?
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:01:06 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Then I think the whole idea of privacy doesn't make sense if this is the case.
Personally I'd prefer if the whole thing was made open including the names but if guys aren't comfortable with this, the name field should be removed.
Alex.
On Wed Apr 20th, 2011 9:14 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Yes.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:31:47 +0300 From: coolsam726@gmail.com To: jkinyuru@gmail.com; wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
For privacy reasons, I will not mention any names when displaying the results.
Are you able to see the names of the survey participators yourself?
Samson Arosi Maosa,
Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology, Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering +254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five "In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a different (better) way?"
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Let me then brainstorm for a possible solution. I'll update you when I have something constructive.
On 4/21/11, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
I totally agree with you Chris. However, I think the issue here is not whether or not we should have a name field, but rather the fact that I have access to the names which jeopardises the concept of privacy and the possibility of participants not opening up.
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 00:50:20 +0300 From: chriwaustin@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Greetings, the name field is quite an important part of this survey so as to prevent individuals from participating more than once since we currently lack a way of preventing such. However, these names shouldn't be revealed to anyone after the survey or when the results are being released. It is an important ethical rule when conducting a survey to protect the information given by your respondents. In case the team requires extra information regarding the survey i.e data analysis or interpretation, all be more than glad to help. Happy Easter to all. Riwa
On 4/21/11, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important to prevent one from participating twice.
I also don't mind it open. Do you guys want it open, or should I remove the name field totally?
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:01:06 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Then I think the whole idea of privacy doesn't make sense if this is the case.
Personally I'd prefer if the whole thing was made open including the names but if guys aren't comfortable with this, the name field should be removed.
Alex.
On Wed Apr 20th, 2011 9:14 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Yes.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:31:47 +0300 From: coolsam726@gmail.com To: jkinyuru@gmail.com; wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
For privacy reasons, I will not mention any names when displaying the results.
Are you able to see the names of the survey participators yourself?
Samson Arosi Maosa,
Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology, Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering +254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five "In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a different (better) way?"
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Hi all,
As for me I do not mind whether there are names or no names,this is about just what you have to say and what you have seen and experienced while in WikimediaKE,your opinion.It is not a survey into your privacy or something in that line and if anything I believe that no one will hold anything against you because of your opinion.Wikimedia Kenya is Democratic and kindly air your views because we better get going. But if anyone really feels that they do not want their name to appear,then let it be.It is their opinion and democracy in action.I see it simple that way.
For instance, I had the previlege of leading one of the teams during the pilot and on that note I would be happy to learn about the area that I did not do my best if there is any.Am human and am not limited to commit errors.It is a learning experience guys.
I propose that to ensure no one fills the form more than once we should employ honesty for now.
I have already finished completing the survey who is next?
Regards stephen w. wanjau Phone: +254 771 557 857 +254 722 238 165 twitter:haha_wanjau B.Sc statistics and computer science. JKUAT
On Apr 21, 2011 1:31 AM, "Chris Riwa" chriwaustin@gmail.com wrote:
Let me then brainstorm for a possible solution. I'll update you when I have something constructive.
On 4/21/11, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
I totally agree with you Chris. However, I think the issue here is not whether or not we should have a name field, but rather the fact that I
have
access to the names which jeopardises the concept of privacy and the possibility of participants not opening up.
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 00:50:20 +0300 From: chriwaustin@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Greetings, the name field is quite an important part of this survey so as to prevent individuals from participating more than once since we currently lack a way of preventing such. However, these names shouldn't be revealed to anyone after the survey or when the results are being released. It is an important ethical rule when conducting a survey to protect the information given by your respondents. In case the team requires extra information regarding the survey i.e data analysis or interpretation, all be more than glad to help. Happy Easter to all. Riwa
On 4/21/11, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important
to
prevent one from participating twice.
I also don't mind it open. Do you guys want it open, or should I
remove
the name field totally?
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:01:06 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Then I think the whole idea of privacy doesn't make sense if this is the case.
Personally I'd prefer if the whole thing was made open including the names but if guys aren't comfortable with this, the name field should be removed.
Alex.
On Wed Apr 20th, 2011 9:14 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Yes.
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 17:31:47 +0300 From: coolsam726@gmail.com To: jkinyuru@gmail.com; wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
For privacy reasons, I will not mention any names when displaying
the
results.
Are you able to see the names of the survey participators yourself?
Samson Arosi Maosa,
Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology, Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering +254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five "In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in a different (better) way?"
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Greetings again. Steve, I really appreciate your opinion. However, let's be more realistic: Even in a questionnaire, the respondents feel more free to air their opinion when they have the security that not even one person will identify their specific responses. The fact that Wikimedia Kenya is Democratic alone will not give people the confidence to speak pure truth. In that case I am sorry to say that there are those who will give responses that are "edited" in order to ensure that they do not condemn me or Abbas or Oscar or Chris or Steve or Lilian or anybody else. Therefore the survey will just be a painted picture.
@Chris,
However, these names shouldn't be revealed to anyone after the survey or when the results are being released
By "anyone" you mean even the one physically involved with the conduction of the survey right?
@Abbas,
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important to prevent one from participating twice.
You were on the right direction, and you gave it the best decision. In future we have to look for a better solution against multiple participation. You will agree with me that the name field doesn't solve the problem at all. I can poise as Grace and submit my survey under her name....
The best solution I can think of right now is this: Each person is at liberty to determine much of themselves they should give. As such, those who feel their privacy is jeopardized by their IDs being known can opt to use Anonymous in the name field. In this case I rely on the democratic maturity and responsibility of all the members since this is a voluntary exercise and does not benefit an individual in any way, such that no one should have any malicious reason to participate twice. Those are just my thoughts, and they are fully subject to criticism. Have a nice day y'all
Having said that we should scrap the names off the survey and I guess that way we will be good to go.
Thanks.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:55 AM, SAMSON MAOSA coolsam726@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings again. Steve, I really appreciate your opinion. However, let's be more realistic: Even in a questionnaire, the respondents feel more free to air their opinion when they have the security that not even one person will identify their specific responses. The fact that Wikimedia Kenya is Democratic alone will not give people the confidence to speak pure truth. In that case I am sorry to say that there are those who will give responses that are "edited" in order to ensure that they do not condemn me or Abbas or Oscar or Chris or Steve or Lilian or anybody else. Therefore the survey will just be a painted picture.
@Chris,
However, these names
shouldn't be revealed to anyone after the survey or when the results are being released
By "anyone" you mean even the one physically involved with the conduction of the survey right?
@Abbas,
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important to
prevent one from participating twice.
You were on the right direction, and you gave it the best decision. In future we have to look for a better solution against multiple participation. You will agree with me that the name field doesn't solve the problem at all. I can poise as Grace and submit my survey under her name....
The best solution I can think of right now is this: Each person is at liberty to determine much of themselves they should give. As such, those who feel their privacy is jeopardized by their IDs being known can opt to use Anonymous in the name field. In this case I rely on the democratic maturity and responsibility of all the members since this is a voluntary exercise and does not benefit an individual in any way, such that no one should have any malicious reason to participate twice. Those are just my thoughts, and they are fully subject to criticism. Have a nice day y'all
--
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Hi Guys A hot topic indeed.For those who feel the name field will compromise the outcome of the result then My take on this is>Remove the Name field completely or make it optional- this will lead to better result. I am hoping that members will be honest and responsible enough not to do the survey twice. Another alternative could be for the participants to use the word anonymous in the name field. For those who have no problem then feel free to write your name. THIS ARE JUST MY PERSONAL OPINIONS LASTLY CONGRATULATIONS TO ONE OSCAR LIMOKE for Mapping the schools in western province in the ongoing Google map maker competition.Remember the competition is still on till August and you stand to win a laptop or android phone.
On 21/04/2011, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.com wrote:
Having said that we should scrap the names off the survey and I guess that way we will be good to go.
Thanks.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:55 AM, SAMSON MAOSA coolsam726@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings again. Steve, I really appreciate your opinion. However, let's be more realistic: Even in a questionnaire, the respondents feel more free to air their opinion when they have the security that not even one person will identify their specific responses. The fact that Wikimedia Kenya is Democratic alone will not give people the confidence to speak pure truth. In that case I am sorry to say that there are those who will give responses that are "edited" in order to ensure that they do not condemn me or Abbas or Oscar or Chris or Steve or Lilian or anybody else. Therefore the survey will just be a painted picture.
@Chris,
However, these names
shouldn't be revealed to anyone after the survey or when the results are being released
By "anyone" you mean even the one physically involved with the conduction of the survey right?
@Abbas,
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important to
prevent one from participating twice.
You were on the right direction, and you gave it the best decision. In future we have to look for a better solution against multiple participation. You will agree with me that the name field doesn't solve the problem at all. I can poise as Grace and submit my survey under her name....
The best solution I can think of right now is this: Each person is at liberty to determine much of themselves they should give. As such, those who feel their privacy is jeopardized by their IDs being known can opt to use Anonymous in the name field. In this case I rely on the democratic maturity and responsibility of all the members since this is a voluntary exercise and does not benefit an individual in any way, such that no one should have any malicious reason to participate twice. Those are just my thoughts, and they are fully subject to criticism. Have a nice day y'all
--
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I will now proceed to my survey ;)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Isaac K. Kosgei kips8505izo@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Guys A hot topic indeed.For those who feel the name field will compromise the outcome of the result then My take on this is>Remove the Name field completely or make it optional- this will lead to better result. I am hoping that members will be honest and responsible enough not to do the survey twice. Another alternative could be for the participants to use the word anonymous in the name field. For those who have no problem then feel free to write your name. THIS ARE JUST MY PERSONAL OPINIONS LASTLY CONGRATULATIONS TO ONE OSCAR LIMOKE for Mapping the schools in western province in the ongoing Google map maker competition.Remember the competition is still on till August and you stand to win a laptop or android phone.
On 21/04/2011, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.com wrote:
Having said that we should scrap the names off the survey and I guess
that
way we will be good to go.
Thanks.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:55 AM, SAMSON MAOSA coolsam726@gmail.com
wrote:
Greetings again. Steve, I really appreciate your opinion. However, let's be more realistic: Even in a questionnaire, the respondents feel more free
to
air their opinion when they have the security that not even one person will identify their specific responses. The fact that Wikimedia Kenya is Democratic alone will not give people the confidence to speak pure
truth.
In that case I am sorry to say that there are those who will give responses that are "edited" in order to ensure that they do not condemn me or
Abbas
or Oscar or Chris or Steve or Lilian or anybody else. Therefore the survey will just be a painted picture.
@Chris,
However, these names
shouldn't be revealed to anyone after the survey or when the results are being released
By "anyone" you mean even the one physically involved with the
conduction
of the survey right?
@Abbas,
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important to
prevent one from participating twice.
You were on the right direction, and you gave it the best decision. In future we have to look for a better solution against multiple participation. You will agree with me that the name field doesn't solve the problem at all. I can poise as Grace and submit my survey under her name....
The best solution I can think of right now is this: Each person is at liberty to determine much of themselves they should give. As such, those who feel their privacy is jeopardized by their IDs being known can opt to
use
Anonymous in the name field. In this case I rely on the democratic maturity and responsibility of all the members since this is a voluntary exercise and does not benefit an individual in any way, such that no one should have any malicious reason to participate twice. Those are just my thoughts, and they are fully subject to criticism. Have a nice day y'all
--
Samson Arosi Maosa, Jomo Kenyatta University of Agriculture and Technology, Bsc. Electronics and Computer Engineering +254750-nine-one-seven-three-zero-five *"In this world, everything has been done but suppose we try doing it in
a
different (better) way?"* Make someone know what you already know. Join us now at Wikimedia Kenyahttp://www.wikimedia.or.ke
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good idea ,though i personally would have preffered an open minded approach yaani we put the name field mandatory,i mean members to have courage to give positive critique whenever necessary without the privacy thing ,like i would have prefered that i go on record for having aired my resentments openly and freely than in the background , ...thats my opinion but then if that are wishes of the majority then be it.... there are a number of fields on the wikipedia for schools which is o.k considering it was the first budget intensive project wikimedia kenya has undertaken . will have time to take the survey today,
rgds.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 9:24 AM, SAMSON MAOSA coolsam726@gmail.com wrote:
I will now proceed to my survey ;)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 9:18 AM, Isaac K. Kosgei kips8505izo@gmail.comwrote:
Hi Guys A hot topic indeed.For those who feel the name field will compromise the outcome of the result then My take on this is>Remove the Name field completely or make it optional- this will lead to better result. I am hoping that members will be honest and responsible enough not to do the survey twice. Another alternative could be for the participants to use the word anonymous in the name field. For those who have no problem then feel free to write your name. THIS ARE JUST MY PERSONAL OPINIONS LASTLY CONGRATULATIONS TO ONE OSCAR LIMOKE for Mapping the schools in western province in the ongoing Google map maker competition.Remember the competition is still on till August and you stand to win a laptop or android phone.
On 21/04/2011, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.com wrote:
Having said that we should scrap the names off the survey and I guess
that
way we will be good to go.
Thanks.
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 8:55 AM, SAMSON MAOSA coolsam726@gmail.com
wrote:
Greetings again. Steve, I really appreciate your opinion. However,
let's
be more realistic: Even in a questionnaire, the respondents feel more free
to
air their opinion when they have the security that not even one person will identify their specific responses. The fact that Wikimedia Kenya is Democratic alone will not give people the confidence to speak pure
truth.
In that case I am sorry to say that there are those who will give
responses
that are "edited" in order to ensure that they do not condemn me or
Abbas
or Oscar or Chris or Steve or Lilian or anybody else. Therefore the survey will just be a painted picture.
@Chris,
However, these names
shouldn't be revealed to anyone after the survey or when the results are being released
By "anyone" you mean even the one physically involved with the
conduction
of the survey right?
@Abbas,
I initially didn't put the name field, but I thought it was important
to
prevent one from participating twice.
You were on the right direction, and you gave it the best decision. In future we have to look for a better solution against multiple participation. You will agree with me that the name field doesn't solve the problem at all. I can poise as Grace and submit my survey under her name....
The best solution I can think of right now is this: Each person is at liberty to determine much of themselves they should give. As such,
those
who feel their privacy is jeopardized by their IDs being known can opt to
use
Anonymous in the name field. In this case I rely on the democratic maturity and responsibility of all the members since this is a voluntary
exercise
and does not benefit an individual in any way, such that no one should have any malicious reason to participate twice. Those are just my thoughts, and they are fully subject to criticism. Have a nice day y'all
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 08:55:42 +0300 From: coolsam726@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
@Abbas,>You were on the right direction, and you gave it the best decision. In future we have to look for a better solution against multiple participation. You will agree with me that the name field doesn't solve >the problem at all. I can poise as Grace and submit my survey under her name....
No, I will not agree with you. Simply because I could follow it up with Grace and confirm whether she participated in the survey. Or better yet, Grace might have already participated in the survey and a second entry under her name would only arouse suspicion and i would follow it up with Grace to confirm which is her actual entry. I'm not going to argue much about it -- just do what you want: if you want to fill in "Anonymous", then so be it. >The fact that Wikimedia Kenya is Democratic alone will not give people the confidence to speak pure truth. In that case I am sorry to say that there are those who will give responses that are >"edited" in order to ensure that they do not condemn me or Abbas or Oscar or Chris or Steve or Lilian or anybody else. Therefore the survey will just be a painted picture. Ha! I'm actually surprised at your democracy stance. Could you pause for a moment and flashback when you were overseeing the voting process of who's going to the Chapters Meeting and you were the very same person who said that you believe that we are all mature people and we are democratically mature? Just in case you forgot, these are the very exact words you said, verbatim, in your email dated Wed 2/02/11 8:09 AM: Just to clarify, I believe that we are a free and mature people. This is why I trusted all of us to display the polls.As much as some people would develop a "So you didn't vote for me" attitude, I believe that won't be the case in Wikimedia. Everyone had a criteria to vote the way he did and I believe everyone is satisfied with the results. Show your mature democracy by developing no grudge to anybody.As I would always say, this was not a rivalry poll, but rather one that will strengthen our bond as well as show the external world, including the rest of the Wikimedia foundation how democratically mature we are and how we can handle situations as mature people.can you prove that?
Hi Everyone,
From what I have been reading,I guess I dont understand what is going
on.True we have received some "negative" critiscm in the past few days.And from the continued arguments in this thread,I am inclined to think maybe our critics are right?!
First,I dont understand the need of the Survey?I mean to what end are we doing the survey??? I personally would suggest we have some sort of "AGM" where we can look back at our success,mistakes and staff on a more "humane" grounds with the aim of correcting and building on our success and mistakes not the "virtual" way.
Plus some questions are very subjective and touch on individuals directly and personally I would rather not critic people behind there back especially in print.......
Happy Easter, Limoke Oscar, mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student
I feel demoralized. I started this survey so that we can see where we are doing well and maximise on that and know where we are poor and learn from our mistakes. However, I did not intend to point fingers of accusation at people who are performing below average. That is why I said I will not disclose names. That is why, in the survey, I just put a general slot for ''quality of presentations'' rather than ''Grace's presentation'' or ''Ting's presentation''. I fail to understand how, for instance, rating quality of presentations as 1 will mean that David made a poor presentation. It merely means that next time, we will all collaborate beforehand and ensure that the presentations to be made are all of the desired quality.
If you think that this is pointing fingers of accusation behind someone's back, then I'm sorry: I was merely assuming good faith.
This survey is done online since at an AGM, not all people would attend, and thereby it wouldn't guarantee full participation.
Critics will always be there. Now it's up to you to live in you own bubble and pretend you don't hear them or listen to them, and react appropriately.
I think this causing more contoversy than expected, and maybe I was mistaken to create this survey in the first place.
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:50:49 +0300 From: oslimoke@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Hi Everyone,From what I have been reading,I guess I dont understand what is going on.True we have received some "negative" critiscm in the past few days.And from the continued arguments in this thread,I am inclined to think maybe our critics are right?!
First,I dont understand the need of the Survey?I mean to what end are we doing the survey???I personally would suggest we have some sort of "AGM" where we can look back at our success,mistakes and staff on a more "humane" grounds with the aim of correcting and building on our success and mistakes not the "virtual" way.
Plus some questions are very subjective and touch on individuals directly and personally I would rather not critic people behind there back especially in print....... Happy Easter, Limoke Oscar,mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student
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Folks, what's wrong with yous?
People have the right to change their opinion; people have the right to state their opinion anonymously; people have the right to feel miffed at criticism; people have the right to be sensitive .
Okay, to cut a long story short: We're all just humans, so please treat each other accordingly :-)
Finally: I'd also prefer to do this communication face-to-face but alas, that's not the world we're living in.
Haya, tusonge mbele,
Oliver (aka BT)
PS: I've completed the survey!
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From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Abbas Mahmood Sent: 21 April 2011 13:32 To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
I feel demoralized. I started this survey so that we can see where we are doing well and maximise on that and know where we are poor and learn from our mistakes. However, I did not intend to point fingers of accusation at people who are performing below average. That is why I said I will not disclose names. That is why, in the survey, I just put a general slot for ''quality of presentations'' rather than ''Grace's presentation'' or ''Ting's presentation''. I fail to understand how, for instance, rating quality of presentations as 1 will mean that David made a poor presentation. It merely means that next time, we will all collaborate beforehand and ensure that the presentations to be made are all of the desired quality.
If you think that this is pointing fingers of accusation behind someone's back, then I'm sorry: I was merely assuming good faith.
This survey is done online since at an AGM, not all people would attend, and thereby it wouldn't guarantee full participation.
Critics will always be there. Now it's up to you to live in you own bubble and pretend you don't hear them or listen to them, and react appropriately.
I think this causing more contoversy than expected, and maybe I was mistaken to create this survey in the first place.
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Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:50:49 +0300 From: oslimoke@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Hi Everyone,
From what I have been reading,I guess I dont understand what is going
on.True we have received some "negative" critiscm in the past few days.And from the continued arguments in this thread,I am inclined to think maybe our critics are right?!
First,I dont understand the need of the Survey?I mean to what end are we doing the survey???
I personally would suggest we have some sort of "AGM" where we can look back at our success,mistakes and staff on a more "humane" grounds with the aim of correcting and building on our success and mistakes not the "virtual" way.
Plus some questions are very subjective and touch on individuals directly and personally I would rather not critic people behind there back especially in print.......
Happy Easter,
Limoke Oscar,
mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student
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Hi, I am failing to understand the arguments in this mails. Simply dont write your name if you really dont have to. Abbas,Just make it clear that no names will be displayed(since its the cause for all these arguments) and that everyone is writing their thots and therefore no one should be judgemental whatsoever after all its a survey and everyone is entitled to their opinion! Oscar avoid being too harsh.Kuwa mpole.
________________________________ From: Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 1:32:24 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
I feel demoralized. I started this survey so that we can see where we are doing well and maximise on that and know where we are poor and learn from our mistakes. However, I did not intend to point fingers of accusation at people who are performing below average. That is why I said I will not disclose names. That is why, in the survey, I just put a general slot for ''quality of presentations'' rather than ''Grace's presentation'' or ''Ting's presentation''. I fail to understand how, for instance, rating quality of presentations as 1 will mean that David made a poor presentation. It merely means that next time, we will all collaborate beforehand and ensure that the presentations to be made are all of the desired quality.
If you think that this is pointing fingers of accusation behind someone's back, then I'm sorry: I was merely assuming good faith.
This survey is done online since at an AGM, not all people would attend, and thereby it wouldn't guarantee full participation.
Critics will always be there. Now it's up to you to live in you own bubble and pretend you don't hear them or listen to them, and react appropriately.
I think this causing more contoversy than expected, and maybe I was mistaken to create this survey in the first place.
________________________________ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 12:50:49 +0300 From: oslimoke@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Hi Everyone, From what I have been reading,I guess I dont understand what is going on.True we have received some "negative" critiscm in the past few days.And from the continued arguments in this thread,I am inclined to think maybe our critics are right?!
First,I dont understand the need of the Survey?I mean to what end are we doing the survey??? I personally would suggest we have some sort of "AGM" where we can look back at our success,mistakes and staff on a more "humane" grounds with the aim of correcting and building on our success and mistakes not the "virtual" way.
Plus some questions are very subjective and touch on individuals directly and personally I would rather not critic people behind there back especially in print.......
Happy Easter, Limoke Oscar, mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student
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Oscar avoid being too harsh.Kuwa mpole.
Lilian, What do u mean being harsh? I am sorry if my thoughts and opinions hurt you on a personal level.All I was raising are my thoughts and opinions and if they hurt you,my sincerest apologies....
All i mean is, you can be more sensitive than that even when you are putting your opinions across. Btw I respect your thots very much and I hope evryone else does. Just that!
________________________________ From: Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Thu, April 21, 2011 2:31:57 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Oscar avoid being too harsh.Kuwa mpole. Lilian, What do u mean being harsh? I am sorry if my thoughts and opinions hurt you on a personal level.All I was raising are my thoughts and opinions and if they hurt you,my sincerest apologies....
Hi, in any our daily endeavors, it is quite normal to face criticism. However, the criticism is quite healthy since it helps us discover our weaknesses. My point - all this is quite normal and healthy and what really matters at this point is how we are going to solve the situation at hand. So, Abbas man-up and get this ball rolling your the one in charge. To the rest of us, the survey is the best way at the moment to try and get to know your opinions about the sensitive issues quickly and effectively. So lets get to business and fill the questionnaire before our next meet-up so that we can have the most contagious issues first on our agenda. Regarding the 'name thing',it really doesn't matter whether you put it or not. For those who don't feel like putting it you can as well write "Anonymous." However, it is important for you guys to be as sincere as possible when giving your opinions and answers as this is the current tool put in place to collect all your opinions before we can all decide on the best way forward. However, let us all maintain respect and integrity when expressing ourselves. Thank you all and lets move forward for we all belong to Wikimedia Kenya.
PS Maosa: When conducting a survey, the researcher can't avoid knowing a little bit more regarding their respondents. however, it is their responsibility to ensure such information is not leaked out to the general public or any other party after the survey is done. So at this case, the one in charge (Researcher) can know the names but has to keep it a secret to him/herself. Looking forward to get some really response from this survey.
Guys, please, this is now really turning into spam!
The same things are being repeated over and over again. We are meeting next Saturday so please lets move discussions over this thread to when we have our physical meetup.
--Alex.
Guys Let this topic come to an end I support the initiative by Abbas to come up with the survey and am shocked at the kind of reactions that are coming up. i think instead of the thread message lets just do the survey if you feel the name is an issue please put anonymous period!
On 21/04/2011, Alex Wafula xelawafs@yahoo.com wrote:
Guys, please, this is now really turning into spam!
The same things are being repeated over and over again. We are meeting next Saturday so please lets move discussions over this thread to when we have our physical meetup.
--Alex.
FYI: WikiSaturday is an EDITING day, so I'd appreciate it if no one shall deviate WikiSaturday's original agenda and start duscussing anything other than editing on that day.
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 05:21:27 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Guys, please, this is now really turning into spam!
The same things are being repeated over and over again. We are meeting next Saturday so please lets move discussions over this thread to when we have our physical meetup.
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Greetings all, hoping everyone is contented now. Speaking of WikiSaturday, since I am far from Nairobi I will start mine tomorrow. Whether it is Tomorrow I will do Swahili Wikipedia and on Saturday, if I get internet, will do English Wikipedia. Have a good friday all.
I understood WikiSaturday to be on April 30, not April 23 . ?!?
Alex, for when have you booked iHub?
In any case, I may have to join you from home as family usually keeps me occupied on Saturdays.
Oliver (aka BT)
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From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of SAMSON MAOSA Sent: 21 April 2011 17:01 To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Greetings all, hoping everyone is contented now. Speaking of WikiSaturday, since I am far from Nairobi I will start mine tomorrow. Whether it is Tomorrow I will do Swahili Wikipedia and on Saturday, if I get internet, will do English Wikipedia. Have a good friday all.
It is supposed to be on 30th.
From: oliver_stegen@sil.org To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:06:56 +0300 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
I understood WikiSaturday to be on April 30, not April 23 … ?!?
Alex, for when have you booked iHub?
In any case, I may have to join you from home as family usually keeps me occupied on Saturdays.
Oliver (aka BT)
From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of SAMSON MAOSA
Sent: 21 April 2011 17:01
To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Greetings all, hoping everyone is contented now. Speaking of WikiSaturday, since I am far from Nairobi I will start mine tomorrow. Whether it is Tomorrow I will do Swahili Wikipedia and on Saturday, if I get internet, will do English Wikipedia. Have a good friday all.
Sawa.
[Caveat: The following is some detailed advice about contributing to the Swahili wikipedia, esp. how to avoid Google translator due to problems of over-writing articles and how to use some wiki conventions.]
Nina jambo lingine kuhusu J'mosi ya Wikipedia. Mkichangia makala za Kiswahili ( http://sw.wikipedia.org/ http://sw.wikipedia.org) msitumie kitambo cha utafsiri cha Google (http://translate.google.com/toolkit/) ovyoovyo. Kwanza lazima kuhakikisha kwamba makala lengwa haijaandikwa bado. Msipofanya hivyo mngeweza kufuta habari ambazo zimeshaingizwa na mwingine. Ndivyo ilivyofanyika k.m. jana tu na makala ya mwandishi wa Kenya Marjorie Oludhe Macgoye, angalieni hapa: http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=next &oldid=545629 &diff=next&oldid=545629
Ni kweli, kwa sehemu mtafsiri wa Google wa jana aliboresha makala ya tarehe 16 Novemba 2010 ila kwa sehemu kubwa zaidi aliiathiri vibaya, k.m. [[Jamii]] zote zilirudishwa kwenye [[Category]], tena "category" za uongo; pia kiungo cha [[fi:]] kilifutwa na mambo mengi mengineyo. Msifanye hivyo. Ni matumizi ya ovyo kama hayo ambayo yamemkasirisha mzee wetu wa wikipedia Kipala. Naye ni "bureaucrat" kwa hivyo mtamtegemea mara kwa mara kuwasaidieni. Msimkasirishe. Asanteni!
Kwa mashauri mengine, angalieni nilivyomwandikia ndugu yetu Limoke mwaka jana (http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Mpmayenge):
Ndugu Limoke, salaam! Wakati wa shindano, makala nyingi zimeanzishwa bila kuwekewa yaliyomo hata kidogo, nasi wanawikipedia hatukuwa na nafasi ya kurekebisha sana. Kwa hiyo sasa, naomba tusaidiane kusawazisha hizo makala. Kwa mfano, ungeweza kuanza kwa kuangalia orodha ya makala http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maalum:KurasaZisizonajamii bila jamii. Bila shaka utagundua kadhaa ambazo ni duni, labda yenye maneno mawili matatu tu. Ndivyo nilivyogundua k.m. na makala ya Henri Fayol http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Fayol , mhandisi Mfaransa wa karne ya 19. Sasa ukiangalia mabadiliko http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henri_Fayol&action=historysubmit& diff=364028&oldid=337882 niliyoyaingiza utapata mambo ya msingi ya wikipedia. K.m. naingiza kigezo cha {{DEFAULTSORT}} kwa ajili ya orodha ya makala katika jamii ifuate alfabeti vizuri. Tena naingiza jamii za miaka ya kuzaliwa (k.m. [[Jamii:Waliozaliwa 1841]]) na ya kufariki (k.m. [[Jamii:Waliofariki 1925]]). Pia, ikiwa ni makala fupi bila maelezo mengi, naingiza kigezo cha {{mbegu-mtu}} (yaani kama ni mtu). Hatimaye, naingiza kiungo kwa wikipedia ya Kiingereza (k.m. [[en:Henri Fayol]]) ambapo naweza kupata code kwa picha ya mtu (k.m. [[Image:Fonds henri fayol.jpg|thumb|right|Henri Fayol]]) pamoja na habari nyingine. Nitashukuru kwa msaada wako katika kuboresha makala mpya zilizoachwa duni. Wasalaam, --Baba Tabita http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita (majadiliano http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita ) 07:17, 3 Februari 2010 (UTC)
Ndugu Limoke, asante kwa jibu lako. Nimefurahi kusikia kuwa utaendelea. Unisamehe nikiendelea kuandika kuhusu usafishaji wa wikipedia baada ya shindano. Sababu hasa ni kwamba tukiendelea kuboresha makala zilizoongezeka, tuwe makini. Kabla hatujaongeza au kurekebisha habari za makala fulani, lazima tuangalie majadiliano na ukurasa wa historia ya makala hiyo. Angalia k.m. makala ya http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uchumi uchumi. Ukiihariri bila kuangalia http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano:Uchumi majadiliano yake wala http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uchumi&action=history historia yake, inawezekana utaongeza kazi ya baadaye kwa vile tafsiri za shindano zilizofuta makala za zamani (pamoja na jamii na interwiki zake) hazijaunganishwa. Nitaendelea kutafuta makala kama hiyo na kuziandikia katika majadiliano yake. Kwa ajili ya kuunganisha tafsiri mbili au zaidi, labda itasaidia ukifungua zote, kila moja katika dirisha lake, na kunakilisha sehemu za makala za zamani kwenda katika makala ya sasa. Pole na kazi. Na asante kwa kazi yako. (Pia, ukiandika kwenye kurasa za majadiliano, ungeweza kutia sahihi kwa kutaipu ~~~~ ukiwa umesajiliwa kama http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Limoke_oscar Limoke oscar.) Wasalaam, -- http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita Baba Tabita ( http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita majadiliano) 04:08, 4 Februari 2010 (UTC)
Mkiangalia historia ya makala ya uchumi iliyotajwa hapo juu, mtaona kwamba tafsiri zote za "Challenge" zilirejeshwa. Tusifanye kazi bure walivyofanya hao.
Sina lingine kwa sasa ila kuwatakieni mafanikio mema siku ya J'mosi ya Wikipedia. Asanteni!
Ni mimi, Baba Tabita (aka Oliver)
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From: Abbas Mahmood [mailto:abbasjnr@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 April 2011 19:28 To: oliver_stegen@sil.org; 'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.' Subject: RE: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
It is supposed to be on 30th.
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From: oliver_stegen@sil.org To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:06:56 +0300 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
I understood WikiSaturday to be on April 30, not April 23 . ?!?
Alex, for when have you booked iHub?
In any case, I may have to join you from home as family usually keeps me occupied on Saturdays.
Oliver (aka BT)
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From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of SAMSON MAOSA Sent: 21 April 2011 17:01 To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Greetings all, hoping everyone is contented now. Speaking of WikiSaturday, since I am far from Nairobi I will start mine tomorrow. Whether it is Tomorrow I will do Swahili Wikipedia and on Saturday, if I get internet, will do English Wikipedia. Have a good friday all.
PS: To those of you who're still convinced of Google translator's effectiveness when it comes to translating between English and Swahili; just look at its translation of my first paragraph and decide for yourself how much you understand (and whether you'd want such a translation in Wikipedia):
Nina J'mosi something about the Wikipedia. Mkichangia articles Kiswahili (http://sw.wikipedia.org) Do not use while the translation of Google (http://translate.google.com/toolkit/) indiscriminately. First you must ensure that the target article ijaandikwa yet. If not you can delete the information that zimeshaingizwa another. So it did e.g. just yesterday with an article of author Marjorie Oludhe Macgoye Kenya, look here: http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=n... oldid=545629 It is true, in part a translation of the Google of yesterday had improved article on November 16, 2010 except for the greater part was badly affect, eg [[Category]] zilirudishwa all the [[Category]], and "category" false and also a link to [[fi:]] kilifutwa and many other things. Do not do it. It is the use of such distraction that our old wikipedia yamemkasirisha Pala. He is a "bureaucrat" to rely so often help. Msimkasirishe. Thank you!
Thanks!
Oliver (aka BT)
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From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Stegen Sent: 22 April 2011 07:44 To: 'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.' Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
Sawa.
[Caveat: The following is some detailed advice about contributing to the Swahili wikipedia, esp. how to avoid Google translator due to problems of over-writing articles and how to use some wiki conventions.]
Nina jambo lingine kuhusu J'mosi ya Wikipedia. Mkichangia makala za Kiswahili ( http://sw.wikipedia.org/ http://sw.wikipedia.org) msitumie kitambo cha utafsiri cha Google (http://translate.google.com/toolkit/) ovyoovyo. Kwanza lazima kuhakikisha kwamba makala lengwa haijaandikwa bado. Msipofanya hivyo mngeweza kufuta habari ambazo zimeshaingizwa na mwingine. Ndivyo ilivyofanyika k.m. jana tu na makala ya mwandishi wa Kenya Marjorie Oludhe Macgoye, angalieni hapa: http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=next &oldid=545629 &diff=next&oldid=545629
Ni kweli, kwa sehemu mtafsiri wa Google wa jana aliboresha makala ya tarehe 16 Novemba 2010 ila kwa sehemu kubwa zaidi aliiathiri vibaya, k.m. [[Jamii]] zote zilirudishwa kwenye [[Category]], tena "category" za uongo; pia kiungo cha [[fi:]] kilifutwa na mambo mengi mengineyo. Msifanye hivyo. Ni matumizi ya ovyo kama hayo ambayo yamemkasirisha mzee wetu wa wikipedia Kipala. Naye ni "bureaucrat" kwa hivyo mtamtegemea mara kwa mara kuwasaidieni. Msimkasirishe. Asanteni!
Kwa mashauri mengine, angalieni nilivyomwandikia ndugu yetu Limoke mwaka jana (http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Mpmayenge):
Ndugu Limoke, salaam! Wakati wa shindano, makala nyingi zimeanzishwa bila kuwekewa yaliyomo hata kidogo, nasi wanawikipedia hatukuwa na nafasi ya kurekebisha sana. Kwa hiyo sasa, naomba tusaidiane kusawazisha hizo makala. Kwa mfano, ungeweza kuanza kwa kuangalia orodha ya makala http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maalum:KurasaZisizonajamii bila jamii. Bila shaka utagundua kadhaa ambazo ni duni, labda yenye maneno mawili matatu tu. Ndivyo nilivyogundua k.m. na makala ya Henri Fayol http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Fayol , mhandisi Mfaransa wa karne ya 19. Sasa ukiangalia mabadiliko http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henri_Fayol&action=historysubmit& diff=364028&oldid=337882 niliyoyaingiza utapata mambo ya msingi ya wikipedia. K.m. naingiza kigezo cha {{DEFAULTSORT}} kwa ajili ya orodha ya makala katika jamii ifuate alfabeti vizuri. Tena naingiza jamii za miaka ya kuzaliwa (k.m. [[Jamii:Waliozaliwa 1841]]) na ya kufariki (k.m. [[Jamii:Waliofariki 1925]]). Pia, ikiwa ni makala fupi bila maelezo mengi, naingiza kigezo cha {{mbegu-mtu}} (yaani kama ni mtu). Hatimaye, naingiza kiungo kwa wikipedia ya Kiingereza (k.m. [[en:Henri Fayol]]) ambapo naweza kupata code kwa picha ya mtu (k.m. [[Image:Fonds henri fayol.jpg|thumb|right|Henri Fayol]]) pamoja na habari nyingine. Nitashukuru kwa msaada wako katika kuboresha makala mpya zilizoachwa duni. Wasalaam, --Baba Tabita http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita (majadiliano http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita ) 07:17, 3 Februari 2010 (UTC)
Ndugu Limoke, asante kwa jibu lako. Nimefurahi kusikia kuwa utaendelea. Unisamehe nikiendelea kuandika kuhusu usafishaji wa wikipedia baada ya shindano. Sababu hasa ni kwamba tukiendelea kuboresha makala zilizoongezeka, tuwe makini. Kabla hatujaongeza au kurekebisha habari za makala fulani, lazima tuangalie majadiliano na ukurasa wa historia ya makala hiyo. Angalia k.m. makala ya http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uchumi uchumi. Ukiihariri bila kuangalia http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano:Uchumi majadiliano yake wala http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uchumi&action=history historia yake, inawezekana utaongeza kazi ya baadaye kwa vile tafsiri za shindano zilizofuta makala za zamani (pamoja na jamii na interwiki zake) hazijaunganishwa. Nitaendelea kutafuta makala kama hiyo na kuziandikia katika majadiliano yake. Kwa ajili ya kuunganisha tafsiri mbili au zaidi, labda itasaidia ukifungua zote, kila moja katika dirisha lake, na kunakilisha sehemu za makala za zamani kwenda katika makala ya sasa. Pole na kazi. Na asante kwa kazi yako. (Pia, ukiandika kwenye kurasa za majadiliano, ungeweza kutia sahihi kwa kutaipu ~~~~ ukiwa umesajiliwa kama http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Limoke_oscar Limoke oscar.) Wasalaam, -- http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita Baba Tabita ( http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita majadiliano) 04:08, 4 Februari 2010 (UTC)
Mkiangalia historia ya makala ya uchumi iliyotajwa hapo juu, mtaona kwamba tafsiri zote za "Challenge" zilirejeshwa. Tusifanye kazi bure walivyofanya hao.
Sina lingine kwa sasa ila kuwatakieni mafanikio mema siku ya J'mosi ya Wikipedia. Asanteni!
Ni mimi, Baba Tabita (aka Oliver)
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From: Abbas Mahmood [mailto:abbasjnr@hotmail.com] Sent: 21 April 2011 19:28 To: oliver_stegen@sil.org; 'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.' Subject: RE: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
It is supposed to be on 30th.
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From: oliver_stegen@sil.org To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:06:56 +0300 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
I understood WikiSaturday to be on April 30, not April 23 . ?!?
Alex, for when have you booked iHub?
In any case, I may have to join you from home as family usually keeps me occupied on Saturdays.
Oliver (aka BT)
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From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of SAMSON MAOSA Sent: 21 April 2011 17:01 To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Greetings all, hoping everyone is contented now. Speaking of WikiSaturday, since I am far from Nairobi I will start mine tomorrow. Whether it is Tomorrow I will do Swahili Wikipedia and on Saturday, if I get internet, will do English Wikipedia. Have a good friday all.
Hi, I cannot understand anything.It looks to me like just an arrangement of words!!
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
REGARDS,
2011/4/22 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org
PS: To those of you who’re still convinced of Google translator’s effectiveness when it comes to translating between English and Swahili; just look at its translation of my first paragraph and decide for yourself how much you understand (and whether you’d want such a translation in Wikipedia):
Nina J'mosi something about the Wikipedia. Mkichangia articles Kiswahili ( http://sw.wikipedia.org) Do not use while the translation of Google ( http://translate.google.com/toolkit/) indiscriminately. First you must ensure that the target article ijaandikwa yet. If not you can delete the information that zimeshaingizwa another. So it did e.g. just yesterday with an article of author Marjorie Oludhe Macgoye Kenya, look here: http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=n... It is true, in part a translation of the Google of yesterday had improved article on November 16, 2010 except for the greater part was badly affect, eg [[Category]] zilirudishwa all the [[Category]], and "category" false and also a link to [[fi:]] kilifutwa and many other things. Do not do it. It is the use of such distraction that our old wikipedia yamemkasirisha Pala. He is a "bureaucrat" to rely so often help. Msimkasirishe. Thank you!
Thanks!
Oliver (aka BT)
*From:* wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *Oliver Stegen *Sent:* 22 April 2011 07:44
*To:* 'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.' *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
Sawa.
[*Caveat:* The following is some detailed advice about contributing to the Swahili wikipedia, esp. how to avoid Google translator due to problems of over-writing articles and how to use some wiki conventions.]
Nina jambo lingine kuhusu J’mosi ya Wikipedia. Mkichangia makala za Kiswahili (http://sw.wikipedia.org) *msitumie* kitambo cha utafsiri cha Google (http://translate.google.com/toolkit/) *ovyoovyo*. Kwanza lazima kuhakikisha kwamba makala lengwa haijaandikwa bado. Msipofanya hivyo mngeweza kufuta habari ambazo zimeshaingizwa na mwingine. Ndivyo ilivyofanyika k.m. jana tu na makala ya mwandishi wa Kenya Marjorie Oludhe Macgoye, angalieni hapa: http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=n...
Ni kweli, kwa sehemu mtafsiri wa Google wa jana aliboresha makala ya tarehe 16 Novemba 2010 ila kwa sehemu kubwa zaidi aliiathiri vibaya, k.m. [[Jamii]] zote zilirudishwa kwenye [[Category]], tena “category” za uongo; pia kiungo cha [[fi:]] kilifutwa na mambo mengi mengineyo. *Msifanye hivyo*. Ni matumizi ya ovyo kama hayo ambayo yamemkasirisha mzee wetu wa wikipedia Kipala. Naye ni “bureaucrat” kwa hivyo mtamtegemea mara kwa mara kuwasaidieni. *Msimkasirishe*. Asanteni!
Kwa mashauri mengine, angalieni nilivyomwandikia ndugu yetu Limoke mwaka jana (http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Mpmayenge):
Ndugu Limoke, salaam! Wakati wa shindano, makala nyingi zimeanzishwa bila kuwekewa yaliyomo hata kidogo, nasi wanawikipedia hatukuwa na nafasi ya kurekebisha sana. Kwa hiyo sasa, naomba tusaidiane kusawazisha hizo makala. Kwa mfano, ungeweza kuanza kwa kuangalia orodha ya makala bila jamiihttp://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maalum:KurasaZisizonajamii. Bila shaka utagundua kadhaa ambazo ni duni, labda yenye maneno mawili matatu tu. Ndivyo nilivyogundua k.m. na makala ya Henri Fayolhttp://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henri_Fayol, mhandisi Mfaransa wa karne ya 19. Sasa ukiangalia mabadiliko niliyoyaingizahttp://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Henri_Fayol&action=historysubmit&diff=364028&oldid=337882utapata mambo ya msingi ya wikipedia. K.m. naingiza kigezo cha *{{DEFAULTSORT}}* kwa ajili ya orodha ya makala katika jamii ifuate alfabeti vizuri. Tena naingiza jamii za miaka ya kuzaliwa (k.m. *[[Jamii:Waliozaliwa 1841]]*) na ya kufariki (k.m. *[[Jamii:Waliofariki 1925]]*). Pia, ikiwa ni makala fupi bila maelezo mengi, naingiza kigezo cha *{{mbegu-mtu}}* (yaani kama ni mtu). Hatimaye, naingiza kiungo kwa wikipedia ya Kiingereza (k.m. *[[en:Henri Fayol]]*) ambapo naweza kupata code kwa picha ya mtu (k.m. *[[Image:Fonds henri fayol.jpg|thumb|right|Henri Fayol]]*) pamoja na habari nyingine. Nitashukuru kwa msaada wako katika kuboresha makala mpya zilizoachwa duni. Wasalaam, --*Baba Tabitahttp://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita( majadilianohttp://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita )* 07:17, 3 Februari 2010 (UTC)
Ndugu Limoke, asante kwa jibu lako. Nimefurahi kusikia kuwa utaendelea. Unisamehe nikiendelea kuandika kuhusu usafishaji wa wikipedia baada ya shindano. Sababu hasa ni kwamba tukiendelea kuboresha makala zilizoongezeka, tuwe makini. Kabla hatujaongeza au kurekebisha habari za makala fulani, lazima tuangalie majadiliano na ukurasa wa historia ya makala hiyo. Angalia k.m. makala ya uchumi http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uchumi. Ukiihariri bila kuangalia majadiliano yakehttp://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano:Uchumiwala historia yake http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Uchumi&action=history, inawezekana utaongeza kazi ya baadaye kwa vile tafsiri za shindano zilizofuta makala za zamani (pamoja na jamii na interwiki zake) hazijaunganishwa. Nitaendelea kutafuta makala kama hiyo na kuziandikia katika majadiliano yake. Kwa ajili ya kuunganisha tafsiri mbili au zaidi, labda itasaidia ukifungua zote, kila moja katika dirisha lake, na kunakilisha sehemu za makala za zamani kwenda katika makala ya sasa. Pole na kazi. Na asante kwa kazi yako. (Pia, ukiandika kwenye kurasa za majadiliano, ungeweza kutia sahihi kwa kutaipu *~~~~* ukiwa umesajiliwa kama Limoke oscar http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Limoke_oscar.) Wasalaam, --*Baba Tabita http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita** (majadilianohttp://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Baba_Tabita **)* 04:08, 4 Februari 2010 (UTC)
Mkiangalia historia ya makala ya uchumi iliyotajwa hapo juu, mtaona kwamba tafsiri zote za „Challenge“ zilirejeshwa. Tusifanye kazi bure walivyofanya hao.
Sina lingine kwa sasa ila kuwatakieni mafanikio mema siku ya J’mosi ya Wikipedia. Asanteni!
Ni mimi, Baba Tabita (aka Oliver)
*From:* Abbas Mahmood [mailto:abbasjnr@hotmail.com] *Sent:* 21 April 2011 19:28 *To:* oliver_stegen@sil.org; 'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.' *Subject:* RE: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
It is supposed to be on 30th.
From: oliver_stegen@sil.org To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:06:56 +0300 Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
I understood WikiSaturday to be on April 30, not April 23 … ?!?
Alex, for when have you booked iHub?
In any case, I may have to join you from home as family usually keeps me occupied on Saturdays.
Oliver (aka BT)
*From:* wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] *On Behalf Of *SAMSON MAOSA *Sent:* 21 April 2011 17:01 *To:* The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. *Subject:* Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Greetings all, hoping everyone is contented now. Speaking of WikiSaturday, since I am far from Nairobi I will start mine tomorrow. Whether it is Tomorrow I will do Swahili Wikipedia and on Saturday, if I get internet, will do English Wikipedia. Have a good friday all. --
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In other languages, Google Translate seems to be working fairly well. Google Kenya has alot of work to do with Swahili, though...
Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:46:40 +0300 From: wanjaustev@gmail.com To: oliver_stegen@sil.org; wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
Hi,I cannot understand anything.It looks to me like just an arrangement of words!! SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE. REGARDS,
2011/4/22 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org
PS: To those of you who’re still convinced of Google translator’s effectiveness when it comes to translating between English and Swahili; just look at its translation of my first paragraph and decide for yourself how much you understand (and whether you’d want such a translation in Wikipedia):
Nina J'mosi something about the Wikipedia. Mkichangia articles Kiswahili (http://sw.wikipedia.org) Do not use while the translation of Google (http://translate.google.com/toolkit/) indiscriminately. First you must ensure that the target article ijaandikwa yet. If not you can delete the information that zimeshaingizwa another. So it did e.g. just yesterday with an article of author Marjorie Oludhe Macgoye Kenya, look here: http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=n...
It is true, in part a translation of the Google of yesterday had improved article on November 16, 2010 except for the greater part was badly affect, eg [[Category]] zilirudishwa all the [[Category]], and "category" false and also a link to [[fi:]] kilifutwa and many other things. Do not do it. It is the use of such distraction that our old wikipedia yamemkasirisha Pala. He is a "bureaucrat" to rely so often help. Msimkasirishe. Thank you!
Thanks!
Oliver (aka BT)
From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Oliver Stegen
Sent: 22 April 2011 07:44
To: 'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.'
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
Sawa.
[Caveat: The following is some detailed advice about contributing to the Swahili wikipedia, esp. how to avoid Google translator due to problems of over-writing articles and how to use some wiki conventions.]
Nina jambo lingine kuhusu J’mosi ya Wikipedia. Mkichangia makala za Kiswahili (http://sw.wikipedia.org) msitumie kitambo cha utafsiri cha Google (http://translate.google.com/toolkit/) ovyoovyo. Kwanza lazima kuhakikisha kwamba makala lengwa haijaandikwa bado. Msipofanya hivyo mngeweza kufuta habari ambazo zimeshaingizwa na mwingine. Ndivyo ilivyofanyika k.m. jana tu na makala ya mwandishi wa Kenya Marjorie Oludhe Macgoye, angalieni hapa: http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=n...
Ni kweli, kwa sehemu mtafsiri wa Google wa jana aliboresha makala ya tarehe 16 Novemba 2010 ila kwa sehemu kubwa zaidi aliiathiri vibaya, k.m. [[Jamii]] zote zilirudishwa kwenye [[Category]], tena “category” za uongo; pia kiungo cha [[fi:]] kilifutwa na mambo mengi mengineyo. Msifanye hivyo. Ni matumizi ya ovyo kama hayo ambayo yamemkasirisha mzee wetu wa wikipedia Kipala. Naye ni “bureaucrat” kwa hivyo mtamtegemea mara kwa mara kuwasaidieni. Msimkasirishe. Asanteni!
Kwa mashauri mengine, angalieni nilivyomwandikia ndugu yetu Limoke mwaka jana (http://sw.wikipedia.org/wiki/Majadiliano_ya_mtumiaji:Mpmayenge):
Ndugu Limoke, salaam! Wakati wa shindano, makala nyingi zimeanzishwa bila kuwekewa yaliyomo hata kidogo, nasi wanawikipedia hatukuwa na nafasi ya kurekebisha sana. Kwa hiyo sasa, naomba tusaidiane kusawazisha hizo makala. Kwa mfano, ungeweza kuanza kwa kuangalia orodha ya makala bila jamii. Bila shaka utagundua kadhaa ambazo ni duni, labda yenye maneno mawili matatu tu. Ndivyo nilivyogundua k.m. na makala ya Henri Fayol, mhandisi Mfaransa wa karne ya 19. Sasa ukiangalia mabadiliko niliyoyaingiza utapata mambo ya msingi ya wikipedia. K.m. naingiza kigezo cha {{DEFAULTSORT}} kwa ajili ya orodha ya makala katika jamii ifuate alfabeti vizuri. Tena naingiza jamii za miaka ya kuzaliwa (k.m. [[Jamii:Waliozaliwa 1841]]) na ya kufariki (k.m. [[Jamii:Waliofariki 1925]]). Pia, ikiwa ni makala fupi bila maelezo mengi, naingiza kigezo cha {{mbegu-mtu}} (yaani kama ni mtu). Hatimaye, naingiza kiungo kwa wikipedia ya Kiingereza (k.m. [[en:Henri Fayol]]) ambapo naweza kupata code kwa picha ya mtu (k.m. [[Image:Fonds henri fayol.jpg|thumb|right|Henri Fayol]]) pamoja na habari nyingine. Nitashukuru kwa msaada wako katika kuboresha makala mpya zilizoachwa duni. Wasalaam, --Baba Tabita (majadiliano) 07:17, 3 Februari 2010 (UTC)
Ndugu Limoke, asante kwa jibu lako. Nimefurahi kusikia kuwa utaendelea. Unisamehe nikiendelea kuandika kuhusu usafishaji wa wikipedia baada ya shindano. Sababu hasa ni kwamba tukiendelea kuboresha makala zilizoongezeka, tuwe makini. Kabla hatujaongeza au kurekebisha habari za makala fulani, lazima tuangalie majadiliano na ukurasa wa historia ya makala hiyo. Angalia k.m. makala ya uchumi. Ukiihariri bila kuangalia majadiliano yake wala historia yake, inawezekana utaongeza kazi ya baadaye kwa vile tafsiri za shindano zilizofuta makala za zamani (pamoja na jamii na interwiki zake) hazijaunganishwa. Nitaendelea kutafuta makala kama hiyo na kuziandikia katika majadiliano yake. Kwa ajili ya kuunganisha tafsiri mbili au zaidi, labda itasaidia ukifungua zote, kila moja katika dirisha lake, na kunakilisha sehemu za makala za zamani kwenda katika makala ya sasa. Pole na kazi. Na asante kwa kazi yako. (Pia, ukiandika kwenye kurasa za majadiliano, ungeweza kutia sahihi kwa kutaipu ~~~~ ukiwa umesajiliwa kama Limoke oscar.) Wasalaam, --Baba Tabita (majadiliano) 04:08, 4 Februari 2010 (UTC)
Mkiangalia historia ya makala ya uchumi iliyotajwa hapo juu, mtaona kwamba tafsiri zote za „Challenge“ zilirejeshwa. Tusifanye kazi bure walivyofanya hao.
Sina lingine kwa sasa ila kuwatakieni mafanikio mema siku ya J’mosi ya Wikipedia. Asanteni!
Ni mimi, Baba Tabita (aka Oliver)
From: Abbas Mahmood [mailto:abbasjnr@hotmail.com]
Sent: 21 April 2011 19:28
To: oliver_stegen@sil.org; 'The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.'
Subject: RE: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
It is supposed to be on 30th.
From: oliver_stegen@sil.org
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Thu, 21 Apr 2011 19:06:56 +0300
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
I understood WikiSaturday to be on April 30, not April 23 … ?!?
Alex, for when have you booked iHub?
In any case, I may have to join you from home as family usually keeps me occupied on Saturdays.
Oliver (aka BT)
From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of SAMSON MAOSA
Sent: 21 April 2011 17:01
To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter.
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Survey
Greetings all, hoping everyone is contented now. Speaking of WikiSaturday, since I am far from Nairobi I will start mine tomorrow. Whether it is Tomorrow I will do Swahili Wikipedia and on Saturday, if I get internet, will do English Wikipedia. Have a good friday all.
Maybe there are reasons for that:
1. Google Translate is based on English, so it translates best into languages which are related to English (like German, French, Russian, Scandinavian languages etc). 2. Even for these closely related languages, Google employed trained translators to translate and evaluate lots of strings (I happen to know a translator who was employed for Norwegian).
Fwiw,
Oliver (aka BT)
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From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Abbas Mahmood Sent: 22 April 2011 21:09 To: The discussion list for the upcoming Wikimedia Kenya chapter. Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
In other languages, Google Translate seems to be working fairly well. Google Kenya has alot of work to do with Swahili, though...
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Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 09:46:40 +0300 From: wanjaustev@gmail.com To: oliver_stegen@sil.org; wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] WikiSaturday
Hi,
I cannot understand anything.It looks to me like just an arrangement of words!!
SOMETHING NEEDS TO BE DONE.
REGARDS,
2011/4/22 Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.org
PS: To those of you who're still convinced of Google translator's effectiveness when it comes to translating between English and Swahili; just look at its translation of my first paragraph and decide for yourself how much you understand (and whether you'd want such a translation in Wikipedia):
Nina J'mosi something about the Wikipedia. Mkichangia articles Kiswahili ( http://sw.wikipedia.org http://sw.wikipedia.org) Do not use while the translation of Google ( http://translate.google.com/toolkit/ http://translate.google.com/toolkit/) indiscriminately. First you must ensure that the target article ijaandikwa yet. If not you can delete the information that zimeshaingizwa another. So it did e.g. just yesterday with an article of author Marjorie Oludhe Macgoye Kenya, look here: http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye http://sw.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Marjorie_Oludhe_Macgoye&diff=next &oldid=545629 &diff=next&oldid=545629 It is true, in part a translation of the Google of yesterday had improved article on November 16, 2010 except for the greater part was badly affect, eg [[Category]] zilirudishwa all the [[Category]], and "category" false and also a link to [[fi:]] kilifutwa and many other things. Do not do it. It is the use of such distraction that our old wikipedia yamemkasirisha Pala. He is a "bureaucrat" to rely so often help. Msimkasirishe. Thank you!
Thanks!
Oliver (aka BT)
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hi people,this discussion is very intresting.but i blame no one,its a kenyan culture to complicate issues.if we had just followed instructions as abbas had clearly stated,things would have been smoother.
just incase we have forgoten,please note that our mailing list is international(as in worlwide!)please take time and ponder on what it is you want to put across to the whole world.(thru the mailing list)
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 5:00 PM, SAMSON MAOSA coolsam726@gmail.com wrote:
Greetings all, hoping everyone is contented now. Speaking of WikiSaturday, since I am far from Nairobi I will start mine tomorrow. Whether it is Tomorrow I will do Swahili Wikipedia and on Saturday, if I get internet, will do English Wikipedia. Have a good friday all.
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Hey friends, Have you seen this: http://download.kiwix.org/zim/0.9/wikipedia_sw_all_04_2011.zim.torrent Looks like the Swahili wikipedia is out for use with Kiwix. Any ideas how this might be used? Distributed? Advertised? It sure is relevant for Wikimedia Kenya as Swahili is our national language! Excitedly yours, Oliver (aka BT)
This is some really good news, especially for our friends in Tanzania, this could go a long way.
David.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.orgwrote:
Hey friends, Have you seen this: http://download.kiwix.org/zim/0.9/wikipedia_sw_all_04_2011.zim.torrent Looks like the Swahili wikipedia is out for use with Kiwix. Any ideas how this might be used? Distributed? Advertised? It sure is relevant for Wikimedia Kenya as Swahili is our national language! Excitedly yours, Oliver (aka BT)
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Good news,everyone behind that,well done.On how we can advertise it no ideas for now but during the next wiki Saturday I will be having one,two many.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:23 PM, David Mugo raidarmax@gmail.com wrote:
This is some really good news, especially for our friends in Tanzania, this could go a long way.
David.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.orgwrote:
Hey friends, Have you seen this: http://download.kiwix.org/zim/0.9/wikipedia_sw_all_04_2011.zim.torrent Looks like the Swahili wikipedia is out for use with Kiwix. Any ideas how this might be used? Distributed? Advertised? It sure is relevant for Wikimedia Kenya as Swahili is our national language! Excitedly yours, Oliver (aka BT)
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http://wikimedia.or.ke/The_Nyeri_PilotThank you.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:26 PM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
Good news,everyone behind that,well done.On how we can advertise it no ideas for now but during the next wiki Saturday I will be having one,two many.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:23 PM, David Mugo raidarmax@gmail.com wrote:
This is some really good news, especially for our friends in Tanzania, this could go a long way.
David.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.orgwrote:
Hey friends, Have you seen this: http://download.kiwix.org/zim/0.9/wikipedia_sw_all_04_2011.zim.torrent Looks like the Swahili wikipedia is out for use with Kiwix. Any ideas how this might be used? Distributed? Advertised? It sure is relevant for Wikimedia Kenya as Swahili is our national language! Excitedly yours, Oliver (aka BT)
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That's great that the Swahili version is available offline! A great step forward for the project.
One thing I'd note (and this was a big discussion a few months back on the India list): when we have a full encyclopedia dump - without any sort of quality assurance or monitoring - we ought to be careful regarding the use and distribution. Of course, there are always typos and factual errors at any given point on Wikipedia, but when we pull that content off the Internet and make it static, I believe we have a certain responsibility in providing the best information possible. For example, imagine a school with an offline version of Wikipedia that is full of stubs and errors: it may ruin those teachers' impressions of the source, and could potentially misinform a whole classroom of students.
Just wanted to throw these thoughts out there as you continue to brainstorm ways to use the Swahili version of Wikipedia :) Maybe you should consider making a Wikipedia for Schools version of Swahili! ....
Jessie
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 6:26 AM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
Good news,everyone behind that,well done.On how we can advertise it no ideas for now but during the next wiki Saturday I will be having one,two many.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:23 PM, David Mugo raidarmax@gmail.com wrote:
This is some really good news, especially for our friends in Tanzania, this could go a long way.
David.
On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 4:16 PM, Oliver Stegen oliver_stegen@sil.orgwrote:
Hey friends, Have you seen this: http://download.kiwix.org/zim/0.9/wikipedia_sw_all_04_2011.zim.torrent Looks like the Swahili wikipedia is out for use with Kiwix. Any ideas how this might be used? Distributed? Advertised? It sure is relevant for Wikimedia Kenya as Swahili is our national language! Excitedly yours, Oliver (aka BT)
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Congraturations to our Swahili community. Jessie, those are good thoughts, and it is true that they should be considered to improve the quality of the offline versions. This version should be tailored to meet the requirements of the educational syllabus of the target region.
Steve,
Nyeri pilot report now available at wikimediaKE.http://wikimedia.or.ke/The_Nyeri_Pilot
Thank you.
I don't know whether to thank you first or congraturate you...but I do both (Consider I have never seen the Mombasa Pilot report in the wiki :( )
Abbas,
I feel demoralized.
You dont have too,remember the Berlin session on Volunteers?Its hard to manage them with varied opinion and it gets even harder in the Kenyan context.Everyone is entitled to his/her opinion and perhaps my opinion was harsh and unpopular that should not mean the whole idea is bad..Am after-all just one in the Community and the majority matters.
All I was suggesting is to have a discussion of the same events on a face-face basis even though thats hard but then that is one of the ways to get "right opinion" that is from dedicated members.Am afraid again on this but you do realize some people may give opinions that are not a true representation of the state of affairs over the form since they are not very much dedicated. After-all they will have little implication but if we have a face-face meetup to discuss the above issue,even if a few attend,those will give better opinion/critic necessary to better WMKE. ......once again this is my personal point of view and am subject to critiscm as I am doing too.:P..... in Good Faith of course.
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