Hey Abbas,
As I've hinted on my previous post, this is not the right way of coducting an election.
Grace, this all seems rushed and forced and currently, Oscar's idea seems better.
Alex.
On Tue Jun 21st, 2011 3:15 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Grace,
thanks for the link. However, Oscar earlier shared his concerns over who has the right to vote. Which brings me to the question: is everyone OK with Grace overseeing the voting process or do you want the Kiswahili Wikipedia Challenge participants to decide for themselves?
--Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:05:34 +0300 From: gkariuki99@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hello, this is the new voting link: http://www.doodle.com/5wawrwb3zex66qxe Thanks,Grace
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
hi Alex, et al., I don't know the right way to do this, but to avoid a lot of unnecessary debates over who should go and how we decide whose going; I think it's best if the participants themselves first discuss what they want off-list. If the participants are comfortable with discussing and deciding who should go -- well and good. If they can not decide, then they can request for a broader input from the mailing list. I don't know how we will do it, but i am ready to discuss this with Oscar & Alex first (off-list). --Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:53:08 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hey Abbas,
As I've hinted on my previous post, this is not the right way of coducting an election.
Grace, this all seems rushed and forced and currently, Oscar's idea seems better.
Alex.
On Tue Jun 21st, 2011 3:15 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Grace,
thanks for the link. However, Oscar earlier shared his concerns over who has the right to vote. Which brings me to the question: is everyone OK with Grace overseeing the voting process or do you want the Kiswahili Wikipedia Challenge participants to decide for themselves?
--Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:05:34 +0300 From: gkariuki99@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hello, this is the new voting link: http://www.doodle.com/5wawrwb3zex66qxe Thanks,Grace
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
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Guys, I think we are/have demonstrated the highest level of immaturity on this one.Just what do we think we have demonstrated t the world?lets try to be civil and accommodating in our discussions.and above all,lets make informed arguments and discussions .its very embarrassing to see people talking trash about things and they have no idea of. Its well and wise to keep your mouth shut than open it to proove otherwise to us and the rest of the world.
I personally was not opposed to Grace's idea of voting,just felt like Alex put it,this is being immature and rushing things.plus,Grace,as Abbas put it,Who did u intend to vote?the criteria of voting?and why would people vote say for me yet they have no idea of my input and participation in the KWC?that would be promoting populism which is not good for a volunteer movement like us.we are not supposed to encourage competition or populism,flexing our muscles to see wh has got the bigger say or last word would just serve to scare potential and very dedicated members like myself and others I wouldn't mention.lets accommodate each others opinion and views and not exert our muscles....
i must say I was quite unhappy with your total disregard to my concerns and went ahead to carry/publish the poll without addressing them or validating your course or atleast informing me and the group of the whole idea of voting rather than another option.......
On 6/21/11, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
hi Alex, et al., I don't know the right way to do this, but to avoid a lot of unnecessary debates over who should go and how we decide whose going; I think it's best if the participants themselves first discuss what they want off-list. If the participants are comfortable with discussing and deciding who should go -- well and good. If they can not decide, then they can request for a broader input from the mailing list. I don't know how we will do it, but i am ready to discuss this with Oscar & Alex first (off-list). --Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:53:08 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hey Abbas,
As I've hinted on my previous post, this is not the right way of coducting an election.
Grace, this all seems rushed and forced and currently, Oscar's idea seems better.
Alex.
On Tue Jun 21st, 2011 3:15 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Grace,
thanks for the link. However, Oscar earlier shared his concerns over who has the right to vote. Which brings me to the question: is everyone OK with Grace overseeing the voting process or do you want the Kiswahili Wikipedia Challenge participants to decide for themselves?
--Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:05:34 +0300 From: gkariuki99@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hello, this is the new voting link: http://www.doodle.com/5wawrwb3zex66qxe Thanks,Grace
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
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Oscar, with all due respect kindly avoid using those harsh words. I would really like to emulate your point of view and esp. the part you say we demonstrate maturity but I beg to differ with you esp when you use those insulting words like keep your mouth shut,,,,, I am sorry if this will not go well with you but No offence intended I beg your pardon in advance Oscar.
I am afraid its time some of us get out of Wikimedia Kenya coz its so painful to see such harsh exchange of words over a matter that can be solved tru positive discussion
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 14:24, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
Guys, I think we are/have demonstrated the highest level of immaturity on this one.Just what do we think we have demonstrated t the world?lets try to be civil and accommodating in our discussions.and above all,lets make informed arguments and discussions .its very embarrassing to see people talking trash about things and they have no idea of. Its well and wise to keep your mouth shut than open it to proove otherwise to us and the rest of the world.
I personally was not opposed to Grace's idea of voting,just felt like Alex put it,this is being immature and rushing things.plus,Grace,as Abbas put it,Who did u intend to vote?the criteria of voting?and why would people vote say for me yet they have no idea of my input and participation in the KWC?that would be promoting populism which is not good for a volunteer movement like us.we are not supposed to encourage competition or populism,flexing our muscles to see wh has got the bigger say or last word would just serve to scare potential and very dedicated members like myself and others I wouldn't mention.lets accommodate each others opinion and views and not exert our muscles....
i must say I was quite unhappy with your total disregard to my concerns and went ahead to carry/publish the poll without addressing them or validating your course or atleast informing me and the group of the whole idea of voting rather than another option.......
On 6/21/11, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
hi Alex, et al., I don't know the right way to do this, but to avoid a lot of unnecessary debates over who should go and how we decide whose going; I think it's
best
if the participants themselves first discuss what they want off-list. If the participants are comfortable with discussing and deciding who should
go
-- well and good. If they can not decide, then they can request for a broader input from the mailing list. I don't know how we will do it, but i am ready to discuss this with Oscar
&
Alex first (off-list). --Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:53:08 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hey Abbas,
As I've hinted on my previous post, this is not the right way of
coducting
an election.
Grace, this all seems rushed and forced and currently, Oscar's idea
seems
better.
Alex.
On Tue Jun 21st, 2011 3:15 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Grace,
thanks for the link. However, Oscar earlier shared his concerns over
who
has the right to vote. Which brings me to the question: is everyone OK with Grace overseeing the voting process or do you want the Kiswahili Wikipedia Challenge participants to decide for themselves?
--Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:05:34 +0300 From: gkariuki99@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hello, this is the new voting link: http://www.doodle.com/5wawrwb3zex66qxe Thanks,Grace
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
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-- Limoke Oscar, mayenge.blogspot.com Freelancer, GeoInformatics and GIScience Student
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Oh my God! Could we please maintain civility? We are all volunteers here and Oscar, please remember this in your choice of words. I do not want to lose any member (including both of you) at this very early stage of WMKE, and once again, please be careful with your choice of words. While I presume that you may have not meant any harm to Isaac, he has been offended. And Isaac, please assume good faith. Oscar might have gotten a bit carried away and I do hope that this will not happen again. My apologies,Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 14:43:00 +0300 From: kips8505izo@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Oscar, with all due respect kindly avoid using those harsh words. I would really like to emulate your point of view and esp. the part you say we demonstrate maturity but I beg to differ with you esp when you use those insulting words like keep your mouth shut,,,,,
I am sorry if this will not go well with you but No offence intended I beg your pardon in advance Oscar.
I am afraid its time some of us get out of Wikimedia Kenya coz its so painful to see such harsh exchange of words over a matter that can be solved tru positive discussion
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 14:24, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
Guys,
I think we are/have demonstrated the highest level of immaturity on
this one.Just what do we think we have demonstrated t the world?lets
try to be civil and accommodating in our discussions.and above
all,lets make informed arguments and discussions .its very
embarrassing to see people talking trash about things and they have no
idea of.
Its well and wise to keep your mouth shut than open it to proove
otherwise to us and the rest of the world.
I personally was not opposed to Grace's idea of voting,just felt like
Alex put it,this is being immature and rushing things.plus,Grace,as
Abbas put it,Who did u intend to vote?the criteria of voting?and why
would people vote say for me yet they have no idea of my input and
participation in the KWC?that would be promoting populism which is not
good for a volunteer movement like us.we are not supposed to encourage
competition or populism,flexing our muscles to see wh has got the
bigger say or last word would just serve to scare potential and very
dedicated members like myself and others I wouldn't mention.lets
accommodate each others opinion and views and not exert our
muscles....
i must say I was quite unhappy with your total disregard to my
concerns and went ahead to carry/publish the poll without addressing
them or validating your course or atleast informing me and the group
of the whole idea of voting rather than another option.......
On 6/21/11, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
hi Alex, et al.,
I don't know the right way to do this, but to avoid a lot of unnecessary
debates over who should go and how we decide whose going; I think it's best
if the participants themselves first discuss what they want off-list. If
the participants are comfortable with discussing and deciding who should go
-- well and good. If they can not decide, then they can request for a
broader input from the mailing list.
I don't know how we will do it, but i am ready to discuss this with Oscar &
Alex first (off-list).
--Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:53:08 -0700
From: xelawafs@yahoo.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hey Abbas,
As I've hinted on my previous post, this is not the right way of coducting
an election.
Grace, this all seems rushed and forced and currently, Oscar's idea seems
better.
Alex.
On Tue Jun 21st, 2011 3:15 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Grace,
thanks for the link. However, Oscar earlier shared his concerns over who
has the right to vote. Which brings me to the question: is everyone OK
with Grace overseeing the voting process or do you want the Kiswahili
Wikipedia Challenge participants to decide for themselves?
--Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:05:34 +0300
From: gkariuki99@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hello,
this is the new voting link: http://www.doodle.com/5wawrwb3zex66qxe
Thanks,Grace
WikimediaKE mailing list
WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org
WikimediaKE mailing list
WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org
--
Limoke Oscar,
mayenge.blogspot.com
Freelancer,
GeoInformatics and GIScience Student
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Kosgei, My apologies if my words offended you.I never directde them to anyone but intended them for the betterment of WMKE.With that regard I really am sorry of they touched on you personally
. On the sme note,I would like to withdraw my interest in traveling and offering the training in SA. regards,
Apology accepted Oscar. Abbas we are not losing anyone. Relax and lets get this through. Please concentrate on brainstorming for suitable solutions for the stalemate at hand. Regards Riwa.
On Tue, Jun 21, 2011 at 5:44 PM, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
Kosgei, My apologies if my words offended you.I never directde them to anyone but intended them for the betterment of WMKE.With that regard I really am sorry of they touched on you personally
. On the sme note,I would like to withdraw my interest in traveling and offering the training in SA. regards,
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Fine with me if the three potential participants discuss it among themselves. As long as they don't go online with their discussion or divulge of the result of their discussion prematurely but only do so if they've come to an agreement (even if that agreement is to ask an independent person to set up a vote).
Otherwise . yeah, you guessed it: Not impressed with today's mailing list discussion. My humble suggestion: Let someone else proofread your contribution to a disputed argument before you hit the <send> button (and better still: if possible, sleep over it just once).
Still hoping for a good and peaceful outcome of this, and all the best to you three!
Oliver (aka BT)
_____
From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Abbas Mahmood Sent: 21 June 2011 13:06 To: Wikimedia Kenya Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
hi Alex, et al.,
I don't know the right way to do this, but to avoid a lot of unnecessary debates over who should go and how we decide whose going; I think it's best if the participants themselves first discuss what they want off-list. If the participants are comfortable with discussing and deciding who should go -- well and good. If they can not decide, then they can request for a broader input from the mailing list.
I don't know how we will do it, but i am ready to discuss this with Oscar & Alex first (off-list).
--Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 03:53:08 -0700 From: xelawafs@yahoo.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hey Abbas,
As I've hinted on my previous post, this is not the right way of coducting
an election.
Grace, this all seems rushed and forced and currently, Oscar's idea seems
better.
Alex.
On Tue Jun 21st, 2011 3:15 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
Grace,
thanks for the link. However, Oscar earlier shared his concerns over who
has the right to vote. Which brings me to the question: is everyone OK with Grace overseeing the voting process or do you want the Kiswahili Wikipedia Challenge participants to decide for themselves?
--Abbas.
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2011 13:05:34 +0300 From: gkariuki99@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] New voting link
Hello, this is the new voting link: http://www.doodle.com/5wawrwb3zex66qxe Thanks,Grace
Hi fellow WMKE members,
I've been traveling extensively over the last six weeks, and only now realised that the last wikimediake msg I received is from June 23 (same problem with WMF's LangCom). As I don't have complete control over my @sil.org address, please address all future correspondence to my private address info@oliverstegen.net
[Note to list admin: Please change my subscription to the list accordingly.]
Thanks!
Oliver (aka BT)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org
Oliver Stegen
Linguistics Consultant, SIL Uganda-Tanzania
P.O.Box 539, Village Market, 00621 Nairobi, Kenya
Mobile: +254 710 215301
Email: Oliver_Stegen@sil.org (ofc);
info@oliverstegen.net (priv)
Skype: stegling
Twitter: @babatabita
Oliver, Welcome back! I've added you. Read the archives to keep up to speed with the latest news: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediake/ Abbas. From: info@oliverstegen.net To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2011 08:39:14 +0200 Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] Wikimedia Kenya: BT's email contact change
Hi fellow WMKE members,
I've been traveling extensively over the last six weeks, and only now realised that the last wikimediake msg I received is from June 23 (same problem with WMF’s LangCom). As I don't have complete control over my @sil.org address, please address all future correspondence to my private address info@oliverstegen.net
[Note to list admin: Please change my subscription to the list accordingly.]
Thanks!
Oliver (aka BT)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Save our in-boxes! http://emailcharter.org
Oliver Stegen
Linguistics Consultant, SIL Uganda-Tanzania
P.O.Box 539, Village Market, 00621 Nairobi, Kenya
Mobile: +254 710 215301
Email: Oliver_Stegen@sil.org (ofc);
info@oliverstegen.net (priv)
Skype: stegling
Twitter: @babatabita
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