Hello nice people!
In April 2012 immediately after we Boeing-ed (or is it jet back) from Berlin. We had awesome tweets and re-tweets with some WMKE members about the need to have a Wikimedia Kenya blog.
See images at [1] and [2] below.
First, I endorse this idea and I hope that way we will have all our updates and progress in what we are doing in an elaborate manner and style. Emails are not that refined especially to new members and to the international community who are part of this list and the whole Wikimedia fraternity.
Secondly, we will request to join chapters planethttp://www.chaptersplanet.org/which aims to facilitate information sharing about the work of the Wikimedia chapters http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_chaptersand the Wikimedia Foundation http://wikimediafoundation.org by aggregating their blog feeds in one place and providing translation services.
This way other chapters will know what we are doing and we will also get free translation services to other languages like Chinese now that they are building Thika road and they need to know about Wikimedia Kenya:). (Decided to use Chinese as an example)
For my part, it will be a part of my signature in all emails and where necessary point to it if an email am writing has a blog post up for clarity and further reading which I will definitely help. See [3].
Looking forward to your feedback about this.
1. https://secure.flickr.com/photos/swanjau/7377793604/in/set-72157630140607210... 2. https://secure.flickr.com/photos/swanjau/7377794504/in/set-72157630140607210... 3. It will really really help.
regards, Stephen ---------------------------------------- Wikimedia Kenya Board Member & Treasurer
Steve,
I love the idea of a blog but however qm skeptical we need one.We already have a wiki website that we still struggle to update and which could serve as a portal and blog for informing the whole world about us. Am sure if we start a blog, we might just as well be duplicating content from our wiki....just my 2cents
Hello,
I conquer that we are somehow struggling to update our website for now courtesy of bad and expensive internet connection in Kenya plus the website is on its very final stages of construction (Thanks to Alex).
Even though it is not an immediate and dire need, it is Rule of thumbhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_of_thumbwe will need a blog as time goes by - but the sooner the better. It is more of writing the English composition that we used to write while in primary and high school:) plus it is interesting to read plus so much more...
//Stephen sent from my $100 gadget
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 8:38 AM, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
Steve,
I love the idea of a blog but however qm skeptical we need one.We already have a wiki website that we still struggle to update and which could serve as a portal and blog for informing the whole world about us. Am sure if we start a blog, we might just as well be duplicating content from our wiki....just my 2cents
-- Regards,
Limoke Oscar, "*point me to the destiny,and I will curve my own path to it *"
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Dear all,
Am 17.06.2012 07:38, schrieb Limoke Oscar:
I love the idea of a blog but however qm skeptical we need one.We already have a wiki website that we still struggle to update and which could serve as a portal and blog for informing the whole world about us. Am sure if we start a blog, we might just as well be duplicating content from our wiki....just my 2cents
allow me to chime in for a moment.
Technically, we can set up on your website whatever you need and add so-called "subdomains", for instance:
* www.wikimedia.or.ke - a website, built with a blog software such as Wordpress or Drupal
* members.wikimedia.or.ke - current wiki, used for members to publish reports, document / manage projects, work on concepts etc.
* board.wikimedia.or.ke - closed wiki for the board to be able to discuss internal issues, develop resolutions, internal documentation such as passwords of mailinglists, websites and wikis, bank details etc.
* <projectname>.wikimedia.or.ke - specific wikis for bigger projects, can be public or only disclosed to a specific project team
the wikis can all be integrated into the members wiki by using the same user database and user preferences, so everybody just needs one account and based on the user role she or he can access specific wikis or not.
For smaller chapters I have seen wikis as websites for a while, we also did that for Wikimedia CH and I think Wikimedia Sweden and Wikimedia Israel still do that.
On the other hand both Wikimedia CH and Wikimedia Austria at one point decided to have a "real" website, both are using Drupal now. I think it is correct to argument about the ability to update the website - does an association already have so much information and therefore a need for a website? Better start low and grow bigger as your association and the needs grow.
The Drupal website has another side-effect: Several Wikimedia chapters use it for CiviCRM, which is a module on top of Drupal. We maintain our contacts, finances, event registrations etc. withing CiviCRM. So the website and the central contact management system is basically the same thing.
You can always start by using the current wiki / website as your website, add Drupal CiviCRM later as you need it, build a new website based on Drupal, once it is ready we move the wiki to the "members" subdomain and move Drupal to www.wikimedia.or.ke. We are flexible with that.
Regards,
Manuel
Manuel,
I am in the process of migrating the site to a new host after we agreed that we could not afford the current hosting. We are paying roughly $100 per year. I will be able to finalize with the process and test within the next few days.
David.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
Dear all,
Am 17.06.2012 07:38, schrieb Limoke Oscar:
I love the idea of a blog but however qm skeptical we need one.We already have a wiki website that we still struggle to update and which could serve as a portal and blog for informing the whole world about us. Am sure if we start a blog, we might just as well be duplicating content from our wiki....just my 2cents
allow me to chime in for a moment.
Technically, we can set up on your website whatever you need and add so-called "subdomains", for instance:
- www.wikimedia.or.ke - a website, built with a blog software such as
Wordpress or Drupal
- members.wikimedia.or.ke - current wiki, used for members to publish
reports, document / manage projects, work on concepts etc.
- board.wikimedia.or.ke - closed wiki for the board to be able to
discuss internal issues, develop resolutions, internal documentation such as passwords of mailinglists, websites and wikis, bank details etc.
- <projectname>.wikimedia.or.ke - specific wikis for bigger projects,
can be public or only disclosed to a specific project team
the wikis can all be integrated into the members wiki by using the same user database and user preferences, so everybody just needs one account and based on the user role she or he can access specific wikis or not.
For smaller chapters I have seen wikis as websites for a while, we also did that for Wikimedia CH and I think Wikimedia Sweden and Wikimedia Israel still do that.
On the other hand both Wikimedia CH and Wikimedia Austria at one point decided to have a "real" website, both are using Drupal now. I think it is correct to argument about the ability to update the website - does an association already have so much information and therefore a need for a website? Better start low and grow bigger as your association and the needs grow.
The Drupal website has another side-effect: Several Wikimedia chapters use it for CiviCRM, which is a module on top of Drupal. We maintain our contacts, finances, event registrations etc. withing CiviCRM. So the website and the central contact management system is basically the same thing.
You can always start by using the current wiki / website as your website, add Drupal CiviCRM later as you need it, build a new website based on Drupal, once it is ready we move the wiki to the "members" subdomain and move Drupal to www.wikimedia.or.ke. We are flexible with that.
Regards,
Manuel
Regards Manuel Schneider
Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Am 17.06.2012 11:44, schrieb David Mugo:
I am in the process of migrating the site to a new host after we agreed that we could not afford the current hosting. We are paying roughly $100 per year. I will be able to finalize with the process and test within the next few days.
actually, I wonder why you pay something at all. The current hosting is sponsored by me and thus for free.
But well, it is your money...
/Manuel
Manuel,
You are actually confusing me. You did send us an invoice recently. So what is free and what is to be paid for?
David.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:46 PM, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
Am 17.06.2012 11:44, schrieb David Mugo:
I am in the process of migrating the site to a new host after we agreed that we could not afford the current hosting. We are paying roughly $100 per year. I will be able to finalize with the process and test within the next few days.
actually, I wonder why you pay something at all. The current hosting is sponsored by me and thus for free.
But well, it is your money...
/Manuel
Regards Manuel Schneider
Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Am 17.06.2012 11:47, schrieb David Mugo:
You are actually confusing me. You did send us an invoice recently. So what is free and what is to be paid for?
have you read the invoice?
What amount of money did it say?
/Manuel
Am 17.06.2012 11:50, schrieb Manuel Schneider:
Am 17.06.2012 11:47, schrieb David Mugo:
You are actually confusing me. You did send us an invoice recently. So what is free and what is to be paid for?
have you read the invoice?
What amount of money did it say?
for those who wonder - see attachment.
/Manuel
Manuel,
Well, besides other things, we would also want to be in control of the hosting fully, which currently we are not.
David.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:53 PM, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
Am 17.06.2012 11:50, schrieb Manuel Schneider:
Am 17.06.2012 11:47, schrieb David Mugo:
You are actually confusing me. You did send us an invoice recently. So
what
is free and what is to be paid for?
have you read the invoice?
What amount of money did it say?
for those who wonder - see attachment.
/Manuel
Regards Manuel Schneider
Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
Am 17.06.2012 11:55, schrieb David Mugo:
Well, besides other things, we would also want to be in control of the hosting fully, which currently we are not.
meaning full control as in running your own server?
Or just maintaining your own wikis, databases etc.? This is what you already can do but never did.
/Manuel
Yes. Running the server space and simplifying usage for other users who may not necessarily be IT pros.
David.
On Sun, Jun 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM, Manuel Schneider < manuel.schneider@wikimedia.ch> wrote:
Am 17.06.2012 11:55, schrieb David Mugo:
Well, besides other things, we would also want to be in control of the hosting fully, which currently we are not.
meaning full control as in running your own server?
Or just maintaining your own wikis, databases etc.? This is what you already can do but never did.
/Manuel
Regards Manuel Schneider
Wikimedia CH - Verein zur Förderung Freien Wissens Wikimedia CH - Association for the advancement of free knowledge www.wikimedia.ch
WikimediaKE mailing list WikimediaKE@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediake
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