Guys,
Please stay civil - it's hard enough to agree when talking face to face, let alone electronically.
I also had problems entering the pad when I tried for the first few times. It's not everybody's cup of tea to discuss things online - we may need more regular meetings at iHub or suchlike.
On the whole though, I agree that we need to concentrate on the bylaws and registration as trust or limited company. How shall we go about coming to a consensus which type of registration to follow?
Best,
Oliver (aka BT)
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From: wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-bounces@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Limoke Oscar Sent: 05 April 2011 11:11 To: Wikimedia Kenya . Subject: [Wikimedia Kenya] Fwd: what do you think?
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Isaac K. Kosgei kips8505izo@gmail.com wrote:
Dear Oscar, About the Etherpad issue you should have explained everything clearly, thanks to stave am getting the password today.
Kosgei,
I don't mean to be rude but I shared the password long time ago.Maybe you don't read your emails carefully.We already have existing bylaws and am not sure you have looked at them.We are doing something "simple and stupid"...why don't you come to the pad and air the pros and cons of your thought?
My point to you is Why don't register it as a company limited by Guarantee? ---NOT FOR PROFIT MAKING:::look at it along those lines and if you are OK with that Obadiah and I can assist in drafting the constitution (MOA and AOA). at least we have managed to go through the process and successful registered one of that Kind
On 05/04/2011, Limoke Oscar oslimoke@gmail.com wrote:
Guys, I am not so happy with this empty talk of you guys.We need to forge ahead and focus on the Chapter. I shared the etherpad for discusiion of the By-lwas only a fistful of the "usual susspects" loged in and contributed to the same.So shame on you if you did not log into the same and you have your mouth wide open chanting-----well my apologies
We need to focus on the bylwas and work on timelines.for instance we need
to
say like after 14days after sharing the etherpad,the final discussions and contributions will be deemed binding to the whole Chapter.So lets show
oour
commitement and discuss the bylaws.its a shame that some of us have never even read the existing bylaws so it would be very difficult to make a good contribution....also read from other Chapters and make wise and learned contributions.....
see
- Wikimedia Chapters-
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_chapters
http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikimedia_chapters&diff=0&oldid =2472514 &diff=0&oldid=2472514
- The Etherpad(password-wikimediakenya)----
- WikimediaKE Bylaws--
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Kenya/bylaws
Regards, and see u at the pad.....
On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 8:53 AM, Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com
wrote:
let me repeat what I said earlier: we do NOT need TSLG to wire money
into
a personal account. They could pay the expenses directly to the concerned parties.
And, to answer your question, when we receive a grant, whether it's from the government or an institution, the grant is not tax-deductible so long as it is being utilised to fulfill a non-profit mission. For instance, if
you
receive a grant to open up an M-Pesa shop, you are supposed to pay tax
out
of it. But in our case, we are non-profit, so we are tax-exempt.
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:37:11 -0700 From: bruceobwari@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
First let me say the case of TSL &G offers us opportunity to learn , i do echo Abbas sentiments regarding the need to focus on by-laws,having listened to the guy ,it did make lots of sense that if we think of engaging others we need to have a formalized engagement ,his being a corporate body it was crucial . point of correction ,the issue of money being deposited on individual account and having people posing as wikimedians was
extensively
used as an example to issue how we can run into serious legal issues if
we
don't address the issue of formality, On a lighter note, somebody please educate me on this ,whats our
tax
obligations when money is deposited in our accounts ,VAT , income tax,
pay
as you earn /deposit ,zero rated tax, have a tax -free day ,won't you!
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.comwrote:
personally,I think we should focus on the bylaws then form some legal framework.It was part of the plan anyway.
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