let me repeat what I said earlier: we do NOT need TSLG to wire money into a personal account. They could pay the expenses directly to the concerned parties. And, to answer your question, when we receive a grant, whether it's from the government or an institution, the grant is not tax-deductible so long as it is being utilised to fulfill a non-profit mission. For instance, if you receive a grant to open up an M-Pesa shop, you are supposed to pay tax out of it. But in our case, we are non-profit, so we are tax-exempt.
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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 22:37:11 -0700 From: bruceobwari@gmail.com To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
First let me say the case of TSL &G offers us opportunity to learn , i do echo Abbas sentiments regarding the need to focus on by-laws,having listened to the guy ,it did make lots of sense that if we think of engaging others we need to have a formalized engagement ,his being a corporate body it was crucial . point of correction ,the issue of money being deposited on individual account and having people posing as wikimedians was extensively used as an example to issue how we can run into serious legal issues if we don't address the issue of formality,
On a lighter note, somebody please educate me on this ,whats our tax obligations when money is deposited in our accounts ,VAT , income tax, pay as you earn /deposit ,zero rated tax, have a tax -free day ,won't you!
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 10:42 AM, stephen wanjau wanjaustev@gmail.com wrote:
personally,I think we should focus on the bylaws then form some legal
framework.It was part of the plan anyway.
On 4/4/11, lilian nyarera lireshi@yahoo.com wrote:
Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority because i don't think
there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again you know matters dealing
with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so that the faster we
develop a legal framework the better. We are constantly growing big and soon
the members, grantors/donors will require audited work with signatories.
Thats just my thot. though. Regards.
On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and legal vehicle so that we
can submit the final draft and get registered ASAP, lest we shall miss
this and many more partnerships to come.
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000
From: sarahosano@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
Hello Steve,
I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we will be
asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the foundation,I
dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in personal
account.
At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it tricky to
form such a partnership.It is a great idea though.
Regards
Abbas Mahmood abbasjnr@hotmail.com wrote:
I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a personal
account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first
place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could
directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money
passing into our hands.
Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at this
stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet.
Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual trust in
us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they had
nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex, since
it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an
official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to do so.
I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I was in
Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the reason why
the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want us to
make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation is
softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when we make
a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer.
I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying yes. I
remain skeptical and await to see other reactions.
Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
From: wanjaustev@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing director Of
TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry is security on our side and his too
because his is already a company.
He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and said they
were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
to collect five computers that they said required servicing at 'their
station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school
administration that nobody has been mandated to collect computers from
schools by TSLG!
About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit money
into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same and its
bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and should be
taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what that
means)
By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a wiki-median and
do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law.
In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing ourselves at
the schools we visited!
So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down measures to
register as a legal entity.
Cheers,
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI bruceobwari@gmail.com
wrote:
Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
we had a very
constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a
formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from
the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters
heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to
occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we
are formally engaged.
He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
giving them the content for them to for them to install OR by
incorporating two members from our team ,
The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so we
urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
rgds ,
Steve and Bruce.
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On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI bruceobwari@gmail.com
wrote:
Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came was the
issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal
communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official
communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was
scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our
participation if we are formally engaged.
He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and
giving them the content
On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero oscar_okwero@yahoo.com
wrote:
for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our
members.
--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula xelawafs@yahoo.com wrote:
From: Alex Wafula xelawafs@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
Hey Branton,
Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these guys
next and get more details on this.
Cheers,
Alex.
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