I think thats now precise.See you there guys.
Cheers,
Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
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>> From: nyashkn(a)gmail.com
>> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 23:24:46 +0300
>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
>>
>> Hi Alex,
>>
>> Nairobi Uni is quite big...where exactly?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kinyanjui
>> On Apr 8, 2011, at 9:18 PM, Alex Wafula wrote:
>>
>> > Hi again,
>> >
>> > Thought we could meet at Nairobi university from 10 am.
>> >
>> > If there aren't any objections to this, guess this is the new venue for tomorrow's meetup. See you then.
>> >
>> > Cheers.
>> >
>> > On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 9:11 AM PDT Alex Wafula wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi guys,
>> >>
>> >> I'm sorry to inform you that ihub's already booked tomorrow. I'm just from chating with Tosh regarding this and the earliest they can accommodate us is mid next week.
>> >>
>> >> Really sorry for the inconvinience guy.
>> >>
>> >> So any ideas on a plan B?
>> >>
>> >> Alex.
>> >>
>> >> On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 7:37 AM PDT Oliver Stegen wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Very sorry: Will have to take my daughter to a doctor's appointment at 10am
>> >>> so please start without me - but will try to come afterwards.
>> >>> Oliver (aka BT)
>> >>>
>> >>>> -----Original Message-----
>> >>>> From: wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-
>> >>>> bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alex Wafula
>> >>>> Sent: 07 April 2011 22:28
>> >>>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've already requested for space at the ihub from 10 am - 12 pm so I'm
>> >>>> just awaiting for confirmation of availability.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> In terms of the agenda, I believe discussion of the Bylaws will be the
>> >>>> main focus then maybe later onwards, it would be great for Abbas and Oscar
>> >>>> to give us tales from their trip to Germany.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Looking forward to see some new faces.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Cheers,
>> >>>> Alex.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Thu Apr 7th, 2011 11:40 AM PDT Njoroge Kinyanjui wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> I will also show up...I know i haven't been so vocal,am now willing to
>> >>>> plug for I have also closed...It's starting at 10?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Regards,
>> >>>>> Kinyanjui
>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, wanjaustev(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so
>> >>>> anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> "Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>>> pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>> >>>>>>> they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>> >>>>>>> moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>> >>>>>>> next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver,
>> >>>> Abbas
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> --Alex
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> --
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>> >>>>>>> Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>> >>>>>>> Egerton University,
>> >>>>>>> Njoro Kenya.
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Hi again,
Thought we could meet at Nairobi university from 10 am.
If there aren't any objections to this, guess this is the new venue for tomorrow's meetup. See you then.
Cheers.
On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 9:11 AM PDT Alex Wafula wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>I'm sorry to inform you that ihub's already booked tomorrow. I'm just from chating with Tosh regarding this and the earliest they can accommodate us is mid next week.
>
>Really sorry for the inconvinience guy.
>
>So any ideas on a plan B?
>
>Alex.
>
>On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 7:37 AM PDT Oliver Stegen wrote:
>
>>Very sorry: Will have to take my daughter to a doctor's appointment at 10am
>>so please start without me - but will try to come afterwards.
>>Oliver (aka BT)
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-
>>> bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alex Wafula
>>> Sent: 07 April 2011 22:28
>>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
>>>
>>> I've already requested for space at the ihub from 10 am - 12 pm so I'm
>>> just awaiting for confirmation of availability.
>>>
>>> In terms of the agenda, I believe discussion of the Bylaws will be the
>>> main focus then maybe later onwards, it would be great for Abbas and Oscar
>>> to give us tales from their trip to Germany.
>>>
>>> Looking forward to see some new faces.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Alex.
>>>
>>> On Thu Apr 7th, 2011 11:40 AM PDT Njoroge Kinyanjui wrote:
>>>
>>> >I will also show up...I know i haven't been so vocal,am now willing to
>>> plug for I have also closed...It's starting at 10?
>>> >
>>> >Regards,
>>> >Kinyanjui
>>> >On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, wanjaustev(a)gmail.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so
>>> anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
>>> >>
>>> >> "Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> Hi all,
>>> >>> pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>>> >>> they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>>> >>> moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>>> >>> next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >>>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver,
>>> Abbas
>>> >>>> and
>>> >>>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> --Alex
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> --
>>> >>> Isaac K. Kosgei.
>>> >>> Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>>> >>> Egerton University,
>>> >>> Njoro Kenya.
>>> >>> (+254727553981)
>>> >>> www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>>> >>> Skype:Kipsizoo
>>> >>> Twitter:@Kipsizoo
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>>> >>> *
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Hi guys,
I'm sorry to inform you that ihub's already booked tomorrow. I'm just from chating with Tosh regarding this and the earliest they can accommodate us is mid next week.
Really sorry for the inconvinience guy.
So any ideas on a plan B?
Alex.
On Fri Apr 8th, 2011 7:37 AM PDT Oliver Stegen wrote:
>Very sorry: Will have to take my daughter to a doctor's appointment at 10am
>so please start without me - but will try to come afterwards.
>Oliver (aka BT)
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: wikimediake-bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org [mailto:wikimediake-
>> bounces(a)lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Alex Wafula
>> Sent: 07 April 2011 22:28
>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Saturday meetup
>>
>> I've already requested for space at the ihub from 10 am - 12 pm so I'm
>> just awaiting for confirmation of availability.
>>
>> In terms of the agenda, I believe discussion of the Bylaws will be the
>> main focus then maybe later onwards, it would be great for Abbas and Oscar
>> to give us tales from their trip to Germany.
>>
>> Looking forward to see some new faces.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Alex.
>>
>> On Thu Apr 7th, 2011 11:40 AM PDT Njoroge Kinyanjui wrote:
>>
>> >I will also show up...I know i haven't been so vocal,am now willing to
>> plug for I have also closed...It's starting at 10?
>> >
>> >Regards,
>> >Kinyanjui
>> >On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, wanjaustev(a)gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >> Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so
>> anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
>> >>
>> >> "Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi all,
>> >>> pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>> >>> they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>> >>> moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>> >>> next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>> >>>
>> >>> On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver,
>> Abbas
>> >>>> and
>> >>>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>> >>>>
>> >>>> --Alex
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> Isaac K. Kosgei.
>> >>> Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>> >>> Egerton University,
>> >>> Njoro Kenya.
>> >>> (+254727553981)
>> >>> www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>> >>> Skype:Kipsizoo
>> >>> Twitter:@Kipsizoo
>> >>> *"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
>> >>> *
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I've already requested for space at the ihub from 10 am - 12 pm so I'm just awaiting for confirmation of availability.
In terms of the agenda, I believe discussion of the Bylaws will be the main focus then maybe later onwards, it would be great for Abbas and Oscar to give us tales from their trip to Germany.
Looking forward to see some new faces.
Cheers,
Alex.
On Thu Apr 7th, 2011 11:40 AM PDT Njoroge Kinyanjui wrote:
>I will also show up...I know i haven't been so vocal,am now willing to plug for I have also closed...It's starting at 10?
>
>Regards,
>Kinyanjui
>On Apr 7, 2011, at 6:52 PM, wanjaustev(a)gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
>>
>> "Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>>> they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>>> moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>>> next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>>>
>>> On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver, Abbas
>>>> and
>>>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>>>>
>>>> --Alex
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Isaac K. Kosgei.
>>> Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>>> Egerton University,
>>> Njoro Kenya.
>>> (+254727553981)
>>> www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>>> Skype:Kipsizoo
>>> Twitter:@Kipsizoo
>>> *"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
>>> *
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Count me in too.I will be available for the meet am on my holz.so anytime Wikimedia Kenya.
"Isaac K. Kosgei " <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi all,
>pardon the Egerton team coz they won't be there due to the fact that
>they are preparing for exams which begin two weeks from now. At the
>moment we are doing cats and finalizing on projects. We will join you
>next month onwards hope you will understand. Thanks
>
>On 07/04/2011, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> So is the Saturday meetup happening. I believe so far we have Oliver, Abbas
>> and
>> of course me who've confirmed attendance
>>
>> --Alex
>>
>
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Helo everyone!
I am Cliff Ochieng' currently a member of Mozilla Kenya. I would love to
become a member of your group and share ideas towards the betterment of your
missions as a community.
Hey Abbas, its time we gave the bylaws a priority because i don't think there's any pressing issue at the moment. Again you know matters dealing with money must be delt with a lot of sensitivity so that the faster we develop a legal framework the better. We are constantly growing big and soon the members, grantors/donors will require audited work with signatories. Thats just my thot. though. Regards.
On Mon Apr 4th, 2011 10:12 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>I propose that we now focus more on the bylaws and legal vehicle so that we can submit the final draft and get registered ASAP, lest we shall miss this and many more partnerships to come.
>
>> Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 19:35:39 +0000
>> From: sarahosano(a)gmail.com
>> To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>>
>> Hello Steve,
>> I agree that we would require an account becouse at some point we will be asking for grants,donations or something,and other than the foundation,I dont think anybody else would be willing to deposit money in personal account.
>> At this stage that we are still not a legal entity,I find it tricky to form such a partnership.It is a great idea though.
>> Regards
>>
>> Abbas Mahmood <abbasjnr(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I do not agree with the fact that ''money that enters into a personal account must be taxed''. And who said we need money in the first place?? I mean, they don't have to wire us the money: they could directly pay the accommodation and other bills without the money passing into our hands.
>> >
>> >Personnally, I'm also skeptical in forming such a partnershp at this stage -- simply because we aren't registered as yet.
>> >
>> >Regarding our IDs, let's just say that the schools laid mutual trust in us, since after all, they were the sole beneficiaries and they had nothing to lose. However, this current scenario is more complex, since it is a partnership and usually requires both parties signing an official document, which I don't think we have the capacity to do so.
>> >
>> >I remember talking to Sue (the Executive Director of WMF) while I was in Berlin regarding the grants process and she told me that the reason why the Foundation gives out grants to chapters is because they want us to make mistakes and learn from our mistakes, since the foundation is softer, forgiving and has a sense of trust in us. However, when we make a mistake with TSLG, we have the law to answer.
>> >
>> >I'm not saying no to this partnership, but neither am I saying yes. I remain skeptical and await to see other reactions.
>> >
>> >Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2011 18:29:07 +0300
>> >From: wanjaustev(a)gmail.com
>> >To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>> >
>> >Just expounding on what Bruce just explained.The managing director Of TSLG ,Mr. Arthur Olual main worry is security on our side and his too because his is already a company.
>> >
>> >He said that at some time back some guys went to a school and said they were sent by TSLG and then went ahead.
>> >
>> >to collect five computers that they said required servicing at 'their station'.luckily the school called him and he told the school administration that nobody has been mandated to collect computers from schools by TSLG!
>> >
>> >
>> >About the money to carry on the project,he said he cannot deposit money into personal accounts because the auditors could quiz the same and its bad governance!Money into a personal account is income and should be taxed.(probably our colleagues who take accounting know what that means)
>> >
>> >
>> >By the same token someone could go out and pose to be a wiki-median and do some harm out there then we would be in trouble with the law.
>> >
>> >In fact he asked us how we have been presenting/introducing ourselves at the schools we visited!
>> >
>> >
>> >So I guess that this is a wake up call so that we lay down measures to register as a legal entity.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >
>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:04 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>> >we had a very
>> >constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a
>> >formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from
>> > the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters
>> > heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>> >
>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he
>> >would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few
>> >days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
>> >
>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to
>> > occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we
>> >are formally engaged.
>> >
>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and giving them the content for them to for them to install OR by incorporating two members from our team ,
>> >
>> > The bone of contention at the moment is the formal engagement so we urge Abbas and Oscar to facilitate that,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > rgds ,
>> > Steve and Bruce.
>> >- Show quoted text -
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 1:00 PM, BRANTON OBWARI <bruceobwari(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Steve and i have just met the TSL &G MD
>> >we had a very constructive discussion and among issues that came was the issue of a formal engagement in the manner that he gets a formal communication from the Foundation ,or rather some official communication from the chapters heads i.e Abbas ,Oscar,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > He was of the view the earlier we formalize the better coz he would be having a meeting with Ministry of Education in the next few days and he wanted us to have some representatives in the same meeting.
>> > He also said that the next training for Nyeri teachers was scheduled to occur in the next two weeks and was requesting our participation if we are formally engaged.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > He said we can engage him either by one, training his team and giving them the content
>> >On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 9:04 AM, oscar okwero <oscar_okwero(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >for a new entrant am impressed by that,lets do more to engage our members.
>> >
>> >--- On Sat, 4/2/11, Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >From: Alex Wafula <xelawafs(a)yahoo.com>
>> >
>> >Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
>> >To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>> >Date: Saturday, April 2, 2011, 5:22 PM
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Hey Branton,
>> >
>> >Seems like a great idea. So when do you plan to meetup with these guys next and get more details on this.
>> >
>> >Cheers,
>> >Alex.
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Well said Abbas, specifically on the issue of board members representing the community.
So echoing Abbas, if we are to increase the number of board members, I don't see Oscar's reason as a valid one.
Regarding the Etherpad, yah, I can't do updates via phone :( I've always seen it as a good platform for collaborating on meeting schedules but since it's already up....
If you guys are up for a physical meetup, please confirm this by tomorrow and I'll request for space at ihub.
Cheers,
Alex.
On Wed Apr 6th, 2011 11:15 AM PDT Abbas Mahmood wrote:
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which has meetings in closed doors and therefore necessitating a seat to voice the community. On the other hand, Wikimedia is open. The meetings are open to all. It is only the decision-makers that are the board. This is not an organisation whose board will be made up of consultants who don't have a clue about what is happening in the community: the board is the community! I do not believe in a Wikimedia where there is a veil between the board and the community. And Oscar, you've been complaining about the low turnover of responses on the etherpad. I have received some reports claiming that people can't access the etherpad from their mobile phones, hence the low rate of replies. (Remember that we are in the Global South and mobile internet is ubiquitous :P)You also mentioned that 10 out of 50 people attend our meetups. I agree with you that that is not an impressive number. But we should remember that there are some members who are not interested in
meeting up. (I think it was also mentioned in berlin that a number of editors as well were not interested in having face-to-face meetups)-- So don't worry about this: it's typical Wikipedian nature. Others are not interested in knowing who's the Chairperson of the Chapter. Others don't care about voting or selecting members of the Board. Others might be interested only in going to Nyeri. Or others might not have the fare to make it to the venue. It is important to realise that different people have different needs. So don't expect every Tom, Dick & Harry to be interested in the bylaws. Maybe it's just their character not to be interested in the actual paperwork but rather, they are concerned with fieldwork.Sincerely,
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>From: oliver_stegen(a)sil.org
>To: wikimediake(a)lists.wikimedia.org
>Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2011 13:14:34 +0300
>Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] Fwd: what do you think?
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>On Tue, Apr 5, 2011 at 10:59 AM, Isaac K. Kosgei <kips8505izo(a)gmail.com>
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>On 05/04/2011, Limoke Oscar <oslimoke(a)gmail.com> wrote:
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>> I shared the etherpad for discusiion of the By-lwas only a fistful of the
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>>> Wikimedia Kenya Member
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>>> "*Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is
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>commitment."*
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>>> From: bruceobwari(a)gmail.com
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>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] what do you think?
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The issue of putting up updates on our site -especially when it comes to long ones that need to be documented for future reference - has been raised a couple of times but to no avail.
I'll have an adequate amount of free time from 19th this month so I'll go through our list's archives and put some of the lengthy emails we've had on our site. It's my hope that this will set a presedence of documenting important updates.
Cheers,
Alex.
On Tue Apr 5th, 2011 11:54 AM PDT Isaac K. Kosgei wrote:
>Hi all,
>I am of the opinion that we be posting issues on the site rather than the
>mailing list for easy follow up.
>this has been necessitated by the response on the mailing list, there are
>Discussion topics that should be kept for future reference so that those who
>will join later will have the benefit of following exactly on how the
>chapter started (the Most Notable ones to me the are the pilot updates,
>Bruce thread, the thread on Chapter formation- all this have made to site
>forum). To me the best place for this is the site forum(Hoping we have One)
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>In that case I propose the following:
>1. Post a discussion topic on the wikimedia kemya site.
>2. After posting you alert members through the mailing list.
>3. The members to reply on the site not the mailing list.
>4. Site moderator to check on the posts to ensure it meets the site
>etiquette/ wiki code of conduct.
>5. If a post does not meet the code of conduct the moderator will alert the
>owner of the discussion post who will inturn review and then re post or
>cancel it all together.
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>N/B this are my personal opinions and I hope it wont offend any member
>please add more suggestions on how the posting on the site should be done.
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>Isaac K. Kosgei.
>Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>Egerton University,
>Njoro Kenya.
>(+254727553981)
>www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>Skype:Kipsizoo
>Twitter:@Kipsizoo
>*"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
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The issue of putting up updates on our site -especially when it comes to long ones that need to be documented for future reference - has been raised a couple of times but to no avail.
I'll have an adequate amount of free time from 19th this month so I'll go through our list's archives and put some of the lengthy emails we've had on our site. It's my hope that this will set a presedence of documenting important updates.
Cheers,
Alex.
On Tue Apr 5th, 2011 11:54 AM PDT Isaac K. Kosgei wrote:
>Hi all,
>I am of the opinion that we be posting issues on the site rather than the
>mailing list for easy follow up.
>this has been necessitated by the response on the mailing list, there are
>Discussion topics that should be kept for future reference so that those who
>will join later will have the benefit of following exactly on how the
>chapter started (the Most Notable ones to me the are the pilot updates,
>Bruce thread, the thread on Chapter formation- all this have made to site
>forum). To me the best place for this is the site forum(Hoping we have One)
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>In that case I propose the following:
>1. Post a discussion topic on the wikimedia kemya site.
>2. After posting you alert members through the mailing list.
>3. The members to reply on the site not the mailing list.
>4. Site moderator to check on the posts to ensure it meets the site
>etiquette/ wiki code of conduct.
>5. If a post does not meet the code of conduct the moderator will alert the
>owner of the discussion post who will inturn review and then re post or
>cancel it all together.
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>N/B this are my personal opinions and I hope it wont offend any member
>please add more suggestions on how the posting on the site should be done.
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>Isaac K. Kosgei.
>Bachelor of Agribusiness Management
>Egerton University,
>Njoro Kenya.
>(+254727553981)
>www.linkedin.com/in/kipsizoo
>Skype:Kipsizoo
>Twitter:@Kipsizoo
>*"You Must be the Change you wish to see in the world"-Mahatma Ghandi
>*