Pour votre information
Florence
-------- Message transféré -------- Sujet : Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR Date : Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:54:08 +0200 De : María Sefidari kewlshrink-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org Répondre à : Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org Pour : Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org Groupes de discussion : gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation Références : CAOQ7Aqv-6J1yV13wnSV+FYvhvy_3kjS_7edHayqDt8_gHh96bg@mail.gmail.com CAJcMX2n=VR_Db9zEX6j=y-Ui7Crsm2QVWDyHeTvz7JhiegBV_A@mail.gmail.com CAL_9KJUvgaNtALc5CiOn6079mnn_oCFnWpxFz9N6GW1COt5USg@mail.gmail.com
Dear all,
We would like to specifically address the allegations related to harassment in this thread’s original email. We take all allegations of harassment seriously. Earlier this year, the Board of Trustees was informed that allegations of harassment had been made against the Wikimedia Foundation Board Chair dating back to his time as chair of Wikimédia France. We immediately directed the Foundation to investigate. The Foundation employed independent, external experts and conducted an investigation. Based on the information presented, the investigation found no support for the allegations. That conclusion was conveyed to the Wikimedia Foundation Board as well as the chair of Wikimédia France.
The Wikimedia Foundation remains committed to independent investigation if presented with new information. Absent such information, we consider the allegations to be without merit.
On behalf of the Board,
María Sefidari
El 8 oct. 2017 5:20, "John Erling Blad" jeblad@gmail.com escribió:
When I first saw the posts I thought it would probably be more opinions to them than the very clear blame-game that were going on. Having a partly anonymous community and a chapter that only represents some of the users are an invitation to fierce battles.
Whatever going on at WMFR, I believe it is time for reevaluating the role of WMF in this. I'm wondering if there should be a new board for WMF, unless they get a new chair themselves asap. Reorganize, solve the problems, and move on.
No, I do not know any of the people involved.
John Erling Blad /jeblad
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Marie-Alice Mathis < mariealice.gariel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I haven’t had a real opportunity to introduce myself: I am Marie-Alice Mathis, 32, a now ex-member of the Board of Wikimédia France.
The transition with the newly elected members of the Board is now complete and I gladly step down to get away from the violence, exhaustion and frustration of these past few months.
I was a Board candidate because after completing my PhD I finally had more time to contribute to the projects and serve the community through the French chapter: after watching my husband Rémi Mathis do it for years I
had
a pretty good idea of what it meant. I did not know our ED Nathalie Martin or our chair Émeric Vallespi before working with them, and now that I have I can vouch for their hard work and attachment to the movement’s values.
Today, I have lost friends or people I thought were friends because I defended Nathalie and Émeric in good faith during the smear campaign based on the community’s assumption that they were the source and cause of all the chapter’s problems, real or perceived. Although I have worked with
them
closely for a year, I have been repeatedly informed that I’ve been manipulated by Nathalie from the start and should not have blindly
believed
everything Émeric was saying. I’ve been personally attacked on WMF sites, email lists, and social media for weeks, my every word scrutinised, questioned and mocked assuming I was either ignorant or lying. I’ve been told by so-called feminists who were endorsing a particularly sexist rant against me to “stop making inflammatory comments”. I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist because I questioned the role of our former chair Christophe Henner, now chair of the Board at the WMF, in the threats to withdraw our chapter agreement and the cutting of half our FDC funding. People close to Christophe who have resigned from the WMFR Board early in the crisis rather than take responsibility for their mistakes now call themselves victims and whistleblowers. The WMF, who is perfectly aware of the charges of sexual harassment filed by Nathalie against Christophe for facts dating back to when he was her boss at Wikimédia France, is pretending WMFR leadership has used the threat of legal action to intimidate chapter members and silence opposition.
Some unfounded allegations have been made on this very list by prominent members of the community (and what is a newbie’s word worth in that case, right?): from extremely serious accusations of misuse of chapter funds for personal gain (that strangely enough never made it to the French justice system despite a so-called “rather convincing rationale”), to gratuitous ones that Nathalie was making the Board’s decisions for us and dictating our communication (I am old enough to write my own emails, thank you very much), to ever vague ones of “quite generous expenses reimbursement“. None of this has been supported by proof or tangible facts, but the goal of spreading distrust and dissent in the chapter and the wider community has clearly been reached. Even now that Nathalie has left her position and the Board has resigned, some are still defaming her in the French media in the hopes of winning the stupid argument of who were the bad guys in the crisis.
I am also extremely disappointed that no one from this list asked us (the Board) what was happening when these allegations were made, with only a handful of people suggesting to wait before all the facts were known. Instead, you took for granted the very short and extremely biased English summaries of the Board’s communications (which were instantly circulated
on
this list without our consent and in violation of our chapter’s bylaws), and joined in the chorus of outrage, condemnation and verbal abuse.
But worse to me than all this, I am actually terrified at how easily the Wikimedia community can turn on a person, with no regard whatsoever for decency or legality, when it has made up its mind about who has no place there. I have personally experienced what it means to disagree with this angry mob: questioning the dominant opinion or calling out individuals’ toxic behaviour makes you in turn acceptable collateral damage and a “fair game” target for harassment.
Speaking of this, the movement as a whole needs to address the issue of staff-volunteers relations exemplified by the rapid turnover of executive staff across chapters. Nathalie stayed at WMFR an almost record breaking 4 years, but at what cost? I’m being extremely serious in adding that this conversation needs to take place before something irreversible happens as
a
result of harmful group behaviour within the community.
Sincerely, Marie-Alice Mathis // AlienSpoon
PS: for your information about my position regarding the WMF’s role in
this
crisis and their recent unilaterally added conditions [ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_expectations_for_ Wikimedia_France_-_2017-2018] for payment of our FDC-attributed grant, I attach my email to Katy Love from Sept 20.
Katy, (Cc WMFr Board and Rémi)
In the WMF "Grant expectations" document sent to the Board of WMFr, you mention as a condition for APG funds payment that I do not resign from my position on the Board until the governance review is complete, and that
any
Board member planning to resign must report and justify it to WMF.
You also mention that you retain the right to cease funding WMFr if you consider that legal threats are being used inappropriately to stifle civil and appropriate participation in the chapter. Moreover, you condition payment to being informed if the chapter leadership feels that legal
action
is appropriate to take against current or former board members or staff.
Let me be clear: these conditions are outrageous and unacceptable.
First of all, my legitimacy as a Board member of WMFr does not come from any commitment to WMF but from being democratically elected by French chapter members. WMF has no say in who stays or not on the Board, and trying to intervene on such governance issues is, again, putting both organisations at risk of being legally recognised as co-employers.
Second, as a (volunteer) Board member I have been subjected to harassment, sexist abuse, and unjustified allegations of misconduct by community members, that have impacted my health and mental well being to the point where I was no longer able to do my (paid) job in cancer patient care and my GP put me on medical leave. A large volume of this abuse took place on WMF property (fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Le_Bistro
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro and the WMF-hosted, publicly archived mailing lists wikimedia-l and wikimediafr). You personally and on behalf of WMF encouraged French community members to challenge chapter leadership citing governance issues, without a word mentioning the violence suffered by the Board and executive staff at the hands of some French members during this crisis. Worse, you presented the Board's email condemning the harassment as inaccurate and problematic, which made the community feel all the more legitimate in their harmful attacks. When I reported the abuse in person to WMF employees during the site visit you personally empathised with my distress at the time, and thanked me for being honest about how your email to the wikimediafr list had made our already precarious situation untenable. And then you did nothing. My husband Rémi, who witnessed first hand the effects of the harassment on my health, called on you to release the site visit report so the
misconduct
allegations would stop. You didn't, until 3 days before our General Assembly (where the allegations were repeated), on the same day you asked that I stay on as a Board member. Even your choice of words in the "Grant expectations" document is telling: "egregious incivility" is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about unacceptable and illegal defamation and harassment with serious real life consequences. Rémi also called on the wikimedia-l list to stop the unfounded
allegations,
and was attacked in turn because of "his conflict of interest as the husband of a Board member". He also reported the abuse to the WMF governance committee, to the Suport and Safety team and mentioned it to Christophe Henner and Katherine Maher on Twitter, to no avail. To this day we haven't received any support or acknowledgement whatsoever. All the while the sexist abuse continues, and French editor MrButler was moderated on the wikimediafr maling list for his continued personal attacks against me. This is exactly the kind of behaviour the Board's email to the members was calling out, yet you continue to deliberately ignore it and refuse to do anything about it.
Finally, your asking to be informed of any legal action against chapter members or staff is yet another example of the WMF taking sides while posing as a neutral arbitrator. Calling someone out on their toxic behaviour or actually filing a complaint are no legal threats or intimidation, but by claiming they are you are trying to silence victims
by
denying them their basic rights to legal protection. At least two complaints have been filed against community members and more may be coming, including on my behalf. You will not be informed because it is not for WMF to decide whether they are justified or frivolous.
For all these reasons I am deeply shocked and hurt by your payment conditions and will not abide by the terms of your grant expectations.
With
most of WMFr funding hanging in the balance your unilaterally revised conditions amount to blackmail but I will not stay in harm's way at the request of the organisation who has failed me in every aspect when I came in good faith to work for the community. I will resign when I see fit to protect my health, and continue to speak honestly and publicly about your actions and empty words of safety and inclusivity.
Sincerely, Marie-Alice Mathis, vice chair of WMFr _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Merci Florence,
J’avoue n’avoir pas lu le mail de Marie-Alice dans son entièreté lorsqu’il a été originellement posté, étant lassé, comme beaucoup, de toutes ces histoires. Je le fais avec retard.
Je crois avoir à peu près suivi les différents rebondissements et accusations dans les derniers mois. Il me semble ainsi que certaines parmi Marie-Alice, Émeric et Nathalie disaient explicitement par moments que l’opposition à la direction était dirigée en sous-main par Christophe, mais, sauf erreur de ma part, cette accusation de harcèlement _sexuel_ a été ici portée publiquement pour la première fois. Est-ce que je me trompe ?
Si oui, où a-t-elle été déjà été portée ? Si non, certains d’entre vous en ont-ils·elles eu vent en privé ?
Démêler le vrai du faux de ce genre d’histoire n’est pas de notre ressort — analyser des fonctionnements potentiellement pathologiques de notre communauté l’est, en revanche.
Turb
Le 11 oct. 2017 à 21:04, Florence Devouard fdevouard@anthere.org a écrit :
Pour votre information
Florence
-------- Message transféré -------- Sujet : Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR Date : Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:54:08 +0200 De : María Sefidari kewlshrink-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org Répondre à : Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org Pour : Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org Groupes de discussion : gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation Références : CAOQ7Aqv-6J1yV13wnSV+FYvhvy_3kjS_7edHayqDt8_gHh96bg@mail.gmail.com CAJcMX2n=VR_Db9zEX6j=y-Ui7Crsm2QVWDyHeTvz7JhiegBV_A@mail.gmail.com CAL_9KJUvgaNtALc5CiOn6079mnn_oCFnWpxFz9N6GW1COt5USg@mail.gmail.com
Dear all,
We would like to specifically address the allegations related to harassment in this thread’s original email. We take all allegations of harassment seriously. Earlier this year, the Board of Trustees was informed that allegations of harassment had been made against the Wikimedia Foundation Board Chair dating back to his time as chair of Wikimédia France. We immediately directed the Foundation to investigate. The Foundation employed independent, external experts and conducted an investigation. Based on the information presented, the investigation found no support for the allegations. That conclusion was conveyed to the Wikimedia Foundation Board as well as the chair of Wikimédia France.
The Wikimedia Foundation remains committed to independent investigation if presented with new information. Absent such information, we consider the allegations to be without merit.
On behalf of the Board,
María Sefidari
El 8 oct. 2017 5:20, "John Erling Blad" jeblad@gmail.com escribió:
When I first saw the posts I thought it would probably be more opinions to them than the very clear blame-game that were going on. Having a partly anonymous community and a chapter that only represents some of the users are an invitation to fierce battles.
Whatever going on at WMFR, I believe it is time for reevaluating the role of WMF in this. I'm wondering if there should be a new board for WMF, unless they get a new chair themselves asap. Reorganize, solve the problems, and move on.
No, I do not know any of the people involved.
John Erling Blad /jeblad
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Marie-Alice Mathis < mariealice.gariel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I haven’t had a real opportunity to introduce myself: I am Marie-Alice Mathis, 32, a now ex-member of the Board of Wikimédia France.
The transition with the newly elected members of the Board is now complete and I gladly step down to get away from the violence, exhaustion and frustration of these past few months.
I was a Board candidate because after completing my PhD I finally had more time to contribute to the projects and serve the community through the French chapter: after watching my husband Rémi Mathis do it for years I
had
a pretty good idea of what it meant. I did not know our ED Nathalie Martin or our chair Émeric Vallespi before working with them, and now that I have I can vouch for their hard work and attachment to the movement’s values.
Today, I have lost friends or people I thought were friends because I defended Nathalie and Émeric in good faith during the smear campaign based on the community’s assumption that they were the source and cause of all the chapter’s problems, real or perceived. Although I have worked with
them
closely for a year, I have been repeatedly informed that I’ve been manipulated by Nathalie from the start and should not have blindly
believed
everything Émeric was saying. I’ve been personally attacked on WMF sites, email lists, and social media for weeks, my every word scrutinised, questioned and mocked assuming I was either ignorant or lying. I’ve been told by so-called feminists who were endorsing a particularly sexist rant against me to “stop making inflammatory comments”. I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist because I questioned the role of our former chair Christophe Henner, now chair of the Board at the WMF, in the threats to withdraw our chapter agreement and the cutting of half our FDC funding. People close to Christophe who have resigned from the WMFR Board early in the crisis rather than take responsibility for their mistakes now call themselves victims and whistleblowers. The WMF, who is perfectly aware of the charges of sexual harassment filed by Nathalie against Christophe for facts dating back to when he was her boss at Wikimédia France, is pretending WMFR leadership has used the threat of legal action to intimidate chapter members and silence opposition.
Some unfounded allegations have been made on this very list by prominent members of the community (and what is a newbie’s word worth in that case, right?): from extremely serious accusations of misuse of chapter funds for personal gain (that strangely enough never made it to the French justice system despite a so-called “rather convincing rationale”), to gratuitous ones that Nathalie was making the Board’s decisions for us and dictating our communication (I am old enough to write my own emails, thank you very much), to ever vague ones of “quite generous expenses reimbursement“. None of this has been supported by proof or tangible facts, but the goal of spreading distrust and dissent in the chapter and the wider community has clearly been reached. Even now that Nathalie has left her position and the Board has resigned, some are still defaming her in the French media in the hopes of winning the stupid argument of who were the bad guys in the crisis.
I am also extremely disappointed that no one from this list asked us (the Board) what was happening when these allegations were made, with only a handful of people suggesting to wait before all the facts were known. Instead, you took for granted the very short and extremely biased English summaries of the Board’s communications (which were instantly circulated
on
this list without our consent and in violation of our chapter’s bylaws), and joined in the chorus of outrage, condemnation and verbal abuse.
But worse to me than all this, I am actually terrified at how easily the Wikimedia community can turn on a person, with no regard whatsoever for decency or legality, when it has made up its mind about who has no place there. I have personally experienced what it means to disagree with this angry mob: questioning the dominant opinion or calling out individuals’ toxic behaviour makes you in turn acceptable collateral damage and a “fair game” target for harassment.
Speaking of this, the movement as a whole needs to address the issue of staff-volunteers relations exemplified by the rapid turnover of executive staff across chapters. Nathalie stayed at WMFR an almost record breaking 4 years, but at what cost? I’m being extremely serious in adding that this conversation needs to take place before something irreversible happens as
a
result of harmful group behaviour within the community.
Sincerely, Marie-Alice Mathis // AlienSpoon
PS: for your information about my position regarding the WMF’s role in
this
crisis and their recent unilaterally added conditions [ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_expectations_for_ Wikimedia_France_-_2017-2018] for payment of our FDC-attributed grant, I attach my email to Katy Love from Sept 20.
Katy, (Cc WMFr Board and Rémi)
In the WMF "Grant expectations" document sent to the Board of WMFr, you mention as a condition for APG funds payment that I do not resign from my position on the Board until the governance review is complete, and that
any
Board member planning to resign must report and justify it to WMF.
You also mention that you retain the right to cease funding WMFr if you consider that legal threats are being used inappropriately to stifle civil and appropriate participation in the chapter. Moreover, you condition payment to being informed if the chapter leadership feels that legal
action
is appropriate to take against current or former board members or staff.
Let me be clear: these conditions are outrageous and unacceptable.
First of all, my legitimacy as a Board member of WMFr does not come from any commitment to WMF but from being democratically elected by French chapter members. WMF has no say in who stays or not on the Board, and trying to intervene on such governance issues is, again, putting both organisations at risk of being legally recognised as co-employers.
Second, as a (volunteer) Board member I have been subjected to harassment, sexist abuse, and unjustified allegations of misconduct by community members, that have impacted my health and mental well being to the point where I was no longer able to do my (paid) job in cancer patient care and my GP put me on medical leave. A large volume of this abuse took place on WMF property (fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Le_Bistro
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro and the WMF-hosted, publicly archived mailing lists wikimedia-l and wikimediafr). You personally and on behalf of WMF encouraged French community members to challenge chapter leadership citing governance issues, without a word mentioning the violence suffered by the Board and executive staff at the hands of some French members during this crisis. Worse, you presented the Board's email condemning the harassment as inaccurate and problematic, which made the community feel all the more legitimate in their harmful attacks. When I reported the abuse in person to WMF employees during the site visit you personally empathised with my distress at the time, and thanked me for being honest about how your email to the wikimediafr list had made our already precarious situation untenable. And then you did nothing. My husband Rémi, who witnessed first hand the effects of the harassment on my health, called on you to release the site visit report so the
misconduct
allegations would stop. You didn't, until 3 days before our General Assembly (where the allegations were repeated), on the same day you asked that I stay on as a Board member. Even your choice of words in the "Grant expectations" document is telling: "egregious incivility" is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about unacceptable and illegal defamation and harassment with serious real life consequences. Rémi also called on the wikimedia-l list to stop the unfounded
allegations,
and was attacked in turn because of "his conflict of interest as the husband of a Board member". He also reported the abuse to the WMF governance committee, to the Suport and Safety team and mentioned it to Christophe Henner and Katherine Maher on Twitter, to no avail. To this day we haven't received any support or acknowledgement whatsoever. All the while the sexist abuse continues, and French editor MrButler was moderated on the wikimediafr maling list for his continued personal attacks against me. This is exactly the kind of behaviour the Board's email to the members was calling out, yet you continue to deliberately ignore it and refuse to do anything about it.
Finally, your asking to be informed of any legal action against chapter members or staff is yet another example of the WMF taking sides while posing as a neutral arbitrator. Calling someone out on their toxic behaviour or actually filing a complaint are no legal threats or intimidation, but by claiming they are you are trying to silence victims
by
denying them their basic rights to legal protection. At least two complaints have been filed against community members and more may be coming, including on my behalf. You will not be informed because it is not for WMF to decide whether they are justified or frivolous.
For all these reasons I am deeply shocked and hurt by your payment conditions and will not abide by the terms of your grant expectations.
With
most of WMFr funding hanging in the balance your unilaterally revised conditions amount to blackmail but I will not stay in harm's way at the request of the organisation who has failed me in every aspect when I came in good faith to work for the community. I will resign when I see fit to protect my health, and continue to speak honestly and publicly about your actions and empty words of safety and inclusivity.
Sincerely, Marie-Alice Mathis, vice chair of WMFr _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-request@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
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Bonsoir Turb
Je finis par ne plus trop savoir ce qui a été écrit en privé et ce qui a été écrit en public.
La première fois que le sujet a été évoqué était lors d'un message du CA envoyé à tous les membres le 12 juillet, mais il est moins détaillé.
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2017-July/088008.html
Voir aussi ceci : https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:APG/Appeals_to_the_Board_on_the_recom...
Dans tous les cas, le sujet est effectivement connu d'un certain nombre de personnes. Je crois que cela a aussi été évoqué pendant l'AG.
En fait, il y a deux aspects bien différents. Le premier est l'accusation vis à vis de Christophe pour comportement inapproprié (dont l'enquête commanditée par la WMF indique qu'elle semble non fondée. Mais qui fait l'objet d'une plainte en France) Le second est l'accusation selon laquelle Christophe aurait influé sur la recommandation du FDC émise à l'égard de Wikimedia France (pour autant que je sache, l'enquête interne a montré que cette accusation était non fondée).
La *communauté* n'a pas de problèmes de fonctionnement pathologique à mon sens.
Florence
Le 11/10/2017 à 22:20, Turb a écrit :
Merci Florence,
J’avoue n’avoir pas lu le mail de Marie-Alice dans son entièreté lorsqu’il a été originellement posté, étant lassé, comme beaucoup, de toutes ces histoires. Je le fais avec retard.
Je crois avoir à peu près suivi les différents rebondissements et accusations dans les derniers mois. Il me semble ainsi que certaines parmi Marie-Alice, Émeric et Nathalie disaient explicitement par moments que l’opposition à la direction était dirigée en sous-main par Christophe, mais, sauf erreur de ma part, cette accusation de harcèlement _sexuel_ a été ici portée publiquement pour la première fois. Est-ce que je me trompe ?
Si oui, où a-t-elle été déjà été portée ? Si non, certains d’entre vous en ont-ils·elles eu vent en privé ?
Démêler le vrai du faux de ce genre d’histoire n’est pas de notre ressort — analyser des fonctionnements potentiellement pathologiques de notre communauté l’est, en revanche.
Turb
Le 11 oct. 2017 à 21:04, Florence Devouard fdevouard@anthere.org a écrit :
Pour votre information
Florence
-------- Message transféré -------- Sujet : Re: The other side of the crisis at WMFR Date : Wed, 11 Oct 2017 19:54:08 +0200 De : María Sefidari kewlshrink-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org Répondre à : Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org Pour : Wikimedia Mailing List wikimedia-l-RusutVdil2icGmH+5r0DM0B+6BGkLq7r@public.gmane.org Groupes de discussion : gmane.org.wikimedia.foundation Références : CAOQ7Aqv-6J1yV13wnSV+FYvhvy_3kjS_7edHayqDt8_gHh96bg@mail.gmail.com CAJcMX2n=VR_Db9zEX6j=y-Ui7Crsm2QVWDyHeTvz7JhiegBV_A@mail.gmail.com CAL_9KJUvgaNtALc5CiOn6079mnn_oCFnWpxFz9N6GW1COt5USg@mail.gmail.com
Dear all,
We would like to specifically address the allegations related to harassment in this thread’s original email. We take all allegations of harassment seriously. Earlier this year, the Board of Trustees was informed that allegations of harassment had been made against the Wikimedia Foundation Board Chair dating back to his time as chair of Wikimédia France. We immediately directed the Foundation to investigate. The Foundation employed independent, external experts and conducted an investigation. Based on the information presented, the investigation found no support for the allegations. That conclusion was conveyed to the Wikimedia Foundation Board as well as the chair of Wikimédia France.
The Wikimedia Foundation remains committed to independent investigation if presented with new information. Absent such information, we consider the allegations to be without merit.
On behalf of the Board,
María Sefidari
El 8 oct. 2017 5:20, "John Erling Blad" jeblad@gmail.com escribió:
When I first saw the posts I thought it would probably be more opinions to them than the very clear blame-game that were going on. Having a partly anonymous community and a chapter that only represents some of the users are an invitation to fierce battles.
Whatever going on at WMFR, I believe it is time for reevaluating the role of WMF in this. I'm wondering if there should be a new board for WMF, unless they get a new chair themselves asap. Reorganize, solve the problems, and move on.
No, I do not know any of the people involved.
John Erling Blad /jeblad
On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 3:11 PM, Marie-Alice Mathis < mariealice.gariel@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello all,
I haven’t had a real opportunity to introduce myself: I am Marie-Alice Mathis, 32, a now ex-member of the Board of Wikimédia France.
The transition with the newly elected members of the Board is now complete and I gladly step down to get away from the violence, exhaustion and frustration of these past few months.
I was a Board candidate because after completing my PhD I finally had more time to contribute to the projects and serve the community through the French chapter: after watching my husband Rémi Mathis do it for years I
had
a pretty good idea of what it meant. I did not know our ED Nathalie Martin or our chair Émeric Vallespi before working with them, and now that I have I can vouch for their hard work and attachment to the movement’s values.
Today, I have lost friends or people I thought were friends because I defended Nathalie and Émeric in good faith during the smear campaign based on the community’s assumption that they were the source and cause of all the chapter’s problems, real or perceived. Although I have worked with
them
closely for a year, I have been repeatedly informed that I’ve been manipulated by Nathalie from the start and should not have blindly
believed
everything Émeric was saying. I’ve been personally attacked on WMF sites, email lists, and social media for weeks, my every word scrutinised, questioned and mocked assuming I was either ignorant or lying. I’ve been told by so-called feminists who were endorsing a particularly sexist rant against me to “stop making inflammatory comments”. I’ve been called a conspiracy theorist because I questioned the role of our former chair Christophe Henner, now chair of the Board at the WMF, in the threats to withdraw our chapter agreement and the cutting of half our FDC funding. People close to Christophe who have resigned from the WMFR Board early in the crisis rather than take responsibility for their mistakes now call themselves victims and whistleblowers. The WMF, who is perfectly aware of the charges of sexual harassment filed by Nathalie against Christophe for facts dating back to when he was her boss at Wikimédia France, is pretending WMFR leadership has used the threat of legal action to intimidate chapter members and silence opposition.
Some unfounded allegations have been made on this very list by prominent members of the community (and what is a newbie’s word worth in that case, right?): from extremely serious accusations of misuse of chapter funds for personal gain (that strangely enough never made it to the French justice system despite a so-called “rather convincing rationale”), to gratuitous ones that Nathalie was making the Board’s decisions for us and dictating our communication (I am old enough to write my own emails, thank you very much), to ever vague ones of “quite generous expenses reimbursement“. None of this has been supported by proof or tangible facts, but the goal of spreading distrust and dissent in the chapter and the wider community has clearly been reached. Even now that Nathalie has left her position and the Board has resigned, some are still defaming her in the French media in the hopes of winning the stupid argument of who were the bad guys in the crisis.
I am also extremely disappointed that no one from this list asked us (the Board) what was happening when these allegations were made, with only a handful of people suggesting to wait before all the facts were known. Instead, you took for granted the very short and extremely biased English summaries of the Board’s communications (which were instantly circulated
on
this list without our consent and in violation of our chapter’s bylaws), and joined in the chorus of outrage, condemnation and verbal abuse.
But worse to me than all this, I am actually terrified at how easily the Wikimedia community can turn on a person, with no regard whatsoever for decency or legality, when it has made up its mind about who has no place there. I have personally experienced what it means to disagree with this angry mob: questioning the dominant opinion or calling out individuals’ toxic behaviour makes you in turn acceptable collateral damage and a “fair game” target for harassment.
Speaking of this, the movement as a whole needs to address the issue of staff-volunteers relations exemplified by the rapid turnover of executive staff across chapters. Nathalie stayed at WMFR an almost record breaking 4 years, but at what cost? I’m being extremely serious in adding that this conversation needs to take place before something irreversible happens as
a
result of harmful group behaviour within the community.
Sincerely, Marie-Alice Mathis // AlienSpoon
PS: for your information about my position regarding the WMF’s role in
this
crisis and their recent unilaterally added conditions [ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_expectations_for_ Wikimedia_France_-_2017-2018] for payment of our FDC-attributed grant, I attach my email to Katy Love from Sept 20.
Katy, (Cc WMFr Board and Rémi)
In the WMF "Grant expectations" document sent to the Board of WMFr, you mention as a condition for APG funds payment that I do not resign from my position on the Board until the governance review is complete, and that
any
Board member planning to resign must report and justify it to WMF.
You also mention that you retain the right to cease funding WMFr if you consider that legal threats are being used inappropriately to stifle civil and appropriate participation in the chapter. Moreover, you condition payment to being informed if the chapter leadership feels that legal
action
is appropriate to take against current or former board members or staff.
Let me be clear: these conditions are outrageous and unacceptable.
First of all, my legitimacy as a Board member of WMFr does not come from any commitment to WMF but from being democratically elected by French chapter members. WMF has no say in who stays or not on the Board, and trying to intervene on such governance issues is, again, putting both organisations at risk of being legally recognised as co-employers.
Second, as a (volunteer) Board member I have been subjected to harassment, sexist abuse, and unjustified allegations of misconduct by community members, that have impacted my health and mental well being to the point where I was no longer able to do my (paid) job in cancer patient care and my GP put me on medical leave. A large volume of this abuse took place on WMF property (fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipédia:Le_Bistro
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikip%C3%A9dia:Le_Bistro and the WMF-hosted, publicly archived mailing lists wikimedia-l and wikimediafr). You personally and on behalf of WMF encouraged French community members to challenge chapter leadership citing governance issues, without a word mentioning the violence suffered by the Board and executive staff at the hands of some French members during this crisis. Worse, you presented the Board's email condemning the harassment as inaccurate and problematic, which made the community feel all the more legitimate in their harmful attacks. When I reported the abuse in person to WMF employees during the site visit you personally empathised with my distress at the time, and thanked me for being honest about how your email to the wikimediafr list had made our already precarious situation untenable. And then you did nothing. My husband Rémi, who witnessed first hand the effects of the harassment on my health, called on you to release the site visit report so the
misconduct
allegations would stop. You didn't, until 3 days before our General Assembly (where the allegations were repeated), on the same day you asked that I stay on as a Board member. Even your choice of words in the "Grant expectations" document is telling: "egregious incivility" is not what we are talking about here. We are talking about unacceptable and illegal defamation and harassment with serious real life consequences. Rémi also called on the wikimedia-l list to stop the unfounded
allegations,
and was attacked in turn because of "his conflict of interest as the husband of a Board member". He also reported the abuse to the WMF governance committee, to the Suport and Safety team and mentioned it to Christophe Henner and Katherine Maher on Twitter, to no avail. To this day we haven't received any support or acknowledgement whatsoever. All the while the sexist abuse continues, and French editor MrButler was moderated on the wikimediafr maling list for his continued personal attacks against me. This is exactly the kind of behaviour the Board's email to the members was calling out, yet you continue to deliberately ignore it and refuse to do anything about it.
Finally, your asking to be informed of any legal action against chapter members or staff is yet another example of the WMF taking sides while posing as a neutral arbitrator. Calling someone out on their toxic behaviour or actually filing a complaint are no legal threats or intimidation, but by claiming they are you are trying to silence victims
by
denying them their basic rights to legal protection. At least two complaints have been filed against community members and more may be coming, including on my behalf. You will not be informed because it is not for WMF to decide whether they are justified or frivolous.
For all these reasons I am deeply shocked and hurt by your payment conditions and will not abide by the terms of your grant expectations.
With
most of WMFr funding hanging in the balance your unilaterally revised conditions amount to blackmail but I will not stay in harm's way at the request of the organisation who has failed me in every aspect when I came in good faith to work for the community. I will resign when I see fit to protect my health, and continue to speak honestly and publicly about your actions and empty words of safety and inclusivity.
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