Dear Mr. and Ms., I thank you for your answer. There is no guidelines of this. The challenge here is to see whether Fabrication method (P2079) works as a qualifier property for images before applying for a new property. I invite you to work on an Excel spreadsheet as I explained. Then, I will see what I can do. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia GLAM, Research and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group Member, Wiki Project Med Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee ____________________ +21629499418

-------- Message d'origine -------- De : "Dr. Diptanshu Das" das.diptanshu@gmail.com Date : 2019/10/07 12:37 (GMT+01:00) À : Wiki Medicine discussion wikimedia-medicine@lists.wikimedia.org Cc : "Houcemeddine A. Turki" turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr Objet : Re: [Wiki-Medicine] 2000 pathology images by Dr. Yale Rosen to Wikimedia Commons

Dear Houcemeddine

You need to place a Wikidata Property Proposal https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Property_proposal for the same to come into effect. We would be glad to vote it to effect. You can start the proposal and we can develop it further from there. After the initial proposal is in place you can post about it on this medicine mailing list.

Regards Diptanshu

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On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 16:50, Netha Hussain <nethahussain@gmail.commailto:nethahussain@gmail.com> wrote: Hi Houcemeddine,

I understand that you are interested in working with quickstatements. Thank you for willing to help. But my question to you and this list is if we have any established guidelines regarding using fabrication method (P2079) >>>> Radiology (Q77604), followed by adding the X-ray image as a qualifier? Has this been previously discussed and brought to a consensus? If not, we'll need to discuss this before we attempt to use this method of classifying images on Wikidata items.

Regards Netha

On Mon, 7 Oct 2019 at 12:51, Houcemeddine A. Turki <turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.frmailto:turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr> wrote: Dear Ms., I thank you for your answer. This will be an honour for me. Unfortunately, the method I have described is not used yet for medical images in Wikidata. However, it is used in other databases. I can help in doing this. However, I will need an exhaustive list of all the techniques used to create medical images: CT, MRI, ECG, histopathology... Another interesting method can be the establishment of an Excel spreadsheet in which you put the images and corresponding diseases and techniques. Then, we will use QuickStatements to import all the statements to Wikidata. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group Member, Wiki Project Med Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee ____________________ +21629499418

-------- Message d'origine -------- De : Netha Hussain <nethahussain@gmail.commailto:nethahussain@gmail.com> Date : 2019/10/07 11:26 (GMT+01:00) À : Wiki Medicine discussion <wikimedia-medicine@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:wikimedia-medicine@lists.wikimedia.org> Objet : Re: [Wiki-Medicine] 2000 pathology images by Dr. Yale Rosen to Wikimedia Commons

Dear Diptanshu and Houcemeddine,

Given a choice, I would want the images be under CC0, but in this case it was Dr. Rosen's choice to keep it under CC-BY-SA. I sent him details regarding compatible licenses for Wikimedia, and he chose to go with CC-BY-SA. I respected his choice and thanked him for the license change. I could have been more proactive and encouraged the use of CC-BY, but I didn't see good chances of that discussion meeting with success.

I agree with Houcemeddine's suggestion of having a more refined way of using images on Wikidata. But, I am unable to find any examples where this approach has been used. Has this approach been discussed on Wikidata? I am all in support for separating out CT/ECG/histopathology/gross pathology images on Wikidata items, but I don't yet know if this has been the norm. Houcemeddine, can you help me with this? Please also help me to integrate these images to Wikidata if you are interested.

Regards User: Netha Hussain

On Sun, 6 Oct 2019 at 12:03, Houcemeddine A. Turki <turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.frmailto:turkiabdelwaheb@hotmail.fr> wrote: Dear Ms., I thank you for your answer. As explained in https://doi.org/10.1016/J.JBI.2019.103292, Wikidata lacks support of images of medical items (Symptoms, Diseases, Medical signs, Medical techniques and tests...). The initiative of Dr. Yale Rosen in this context is a significant contribution to Wikidata. However, I should inform you that there are multiple types of medical images. Using P18 Image Wikidata Property without constraints will be imprecise. I propose to add a qualifier to new Wikidata statements in which you define the fabrication method (P2079). These methods are Radiology (Q77604), Computed Tomography (Q32566), Histology (Q7168) and Echography (Q16775363) among others. Other qualifiers about other characteristics of the image such as the used section and coloration should be included as well. Yours Sincerely, Houcemeddine Turki (he/him) Medical Student, Faculty of Medicine of Sfax, University of Sfax, Tunisia GLAM and Education Coordinator, Wikimedia TN User Group Member, Wiki Project Med Member, WikiIndaba Steering Committee Member, Wikimedia and Library User Group Steering Committee ____________________ +21629499418

-------- Message d'origine -------- De : "Dr. Diptanshu Das" <das.diptanshu@gmail.commailto:das.diptanshu@gmail.com> Date : 2019/10/06 08:37 (GMT+01:00) À : Wiki Medicine discussion <wikimedia-medicine@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:wikimedia-medicine@lists.wikimedia.org>, James Heilman <jmh649@gmail.commailto:jmh649@gmail.com> Objet : Re: [Wiki-Medicine] 2000 pathology images by Dr. Yale Rosen to Wikimedia Commons

Dear Netha

That is great news. However, I think that CC-BY would be more appropriate a license for such kind of images? I would seek opinion from James in this regard.

Regards Diptanshu

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On Sat, 5 Oct 2019 at 14:43, Netha Hussain <nethahussain@gmail.commailto:nethahussain@gmail.com> wrote: **Apologies for cross-posting**

Dear all,

I am very happy to share the news of Dr. Yale Rosen's donation of images to Wikimedia Commons. He had shared over 2000 images related to pathology, many of which are rare images, during his long career as a pathologist. He used to run two Flickr streams, one for Atlas of Medical Foreign Bodieshttps://www.flickr.com/photos/foreignbodies and other for pulmonary pathologyhttps://www.flickr.com/photos/pulmonary_pathology/ images. I had first approached Dr. Rosen for donating a few images, but he kindly offered to donate his entire collection of approximately 2000 images plus the contents from his pathology websitehttp://granuloma.homestead.com/ for use on Wikimedia projects. He had shared several images under CC-BY-SA or lower in the past, and User: CFCFhttps://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:CFCF had uploaded them to Commons in 2014. This month, he moved his entire collection to CC-BY-SA, giving me the possibility to upload around 1000 images to Commons. All images from Dr. Rosen's Flickr streams are now available on Wikimedia Commons herehttps://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Images_by_Yale_Rosen_MD.

Please feel free to engage in categorizing, adding structured data and uptaking these images to Wikimedia projects.Kindly write to me if you have any questions or comments.

Regards User: Netha Hussain

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