Dear Mandar and the Pune community,
I'm writing this email on behalf of Pranav, myself and everyone else in the Mumbai Community. We are really sorry that Pune has pulled out of being co-hosts. In this email, we wanted to apologise for our contribution in your making this decision and acknowledge the effort that the Pune community has put in into this Conference.
We feel bad that the situation has come to this. It is not fair for only one party to take the blame for making such a decision. For all the faults that we may have committed knowingly or unknowingly, “Sorry”.
At this point, it will be unfair if we did not acknowledge the role that Pune has played in bringing the Conference to this point. Let me re-assert that the Conference would not have taken off without the help of the Pune community. For everything that you have done, please accept our heartfelt “Thank you”.
We also want to say that we need a lot of help in taking forward the conference and we do hope that the Pune community will be involved in any and every capacity they choose for the conference.
Warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 19 September 2011 17:36, Shekhar Krishnan shekhar@mit.edu wrote:
In the meeting this Saturday we officially recorded the deep regret of everyone present at the withdrawal of the Pune community from the conference organisation.
What is more regretful is that no explanation was given for this drastic step, and no open discussion took place on the issues which led to this split. While the policy questions about the composition of working groups, and scholarships and hosting for volunteers were resolved, it seems personal disagreements still linger.
We are already quite thin on the ground in Mumbai, and need more volunteers and enthusiasts for the conference to be successful. For Mumbai's sister city of Pune to secede at this nascent stage in the formation of the all-India Wikipedia movement is indeed sad.
At our meeting on Saturday, we discussed these points, and how we can strengthen the working group by assigning official Points of Contact (PoC) in every team/committee. For each team there will be a "backup" PoC if the main PoC cannot attend weekly online meetings, and devote time to their organisational duties.
This conference needs all the help it can get. Certain teams (logistics/venue, technical/IT, party/fun) will benefit from PoCs based in Mumbai, but all working groups can benefit from participation by Wikipedians anywhere in India, including Pune.
S.K.
On 09/18/2011 05:12 PM, Kundan Amitabh wrote:
Hi !
We regret the withdrawal of Pune community from the organisation of the conference and sincerely hope that this will not affect their continuing participation in the conference itself.
Best Regards.
Kundan Amitabh Managing Director, Ang India Technologies, www.angindia.co http://www.angindia.co/ ====================== 9768884444 / 9869478444 ======================
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Dear All,
This to formally communicate to all that Pune wikipedians are withdrawing from the co-hosting of the Conference due to the differences came in?Mumbai and Pune communities and many other unresolved?issues.
For your information pls.
With Regards,
Mandar V. Kulkarni
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http://heptanesia.net http://web.mit.edu/shekhar
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Thank you Pradeep for the sentiments. It is indeed sad that we could not work together but our mutual respect continues and indeed we continue to support the WikiConference. Individual members of the Pune community continue to work in their individual capacities. We are confident that with effort of Mumbai community supported by all Indian Wikimedians including friends from abroad, the Conference will be a great success.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Pradeep Mohandas < pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mandar and the Pune community,
I'm writing this email on behalf of Pranav, myself and everyone else in the Mumbai Community. We are really sorry that Pune has pulled out of being co-hosts. In this email, we wanted to apologise for our contribution in your making this decision and acknowledge the effort that the Pune community has put in into this Conference.
We feel bad that the situation has come to this. It is not fair for only one party to take the blame for making such a decision. For all the faults that we may have committed knowingly or unknowingly, “Sorry”.
At this point, it will be unfair if we did not acknowledge the role that Pune has played in bringing the Conference to this point. Let me re-assert that the Conference would not have taken off without the help of the Pune community. For everything that you have done, please accept our heartfelt “Thank you”.
We also want to say that we need a lot of help in taking forward the conference and we do hope that the Pune community will be involved in any and every capacity they choose for the conference.
Warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 19 September 2011 17:36, Shekhar Krishnan shekhar@mit.edu wrote:
In the meeting this Saturday we officially recorded the deep regret of everyone present at the withdrawal of the Pune community from the conference organisation.
What is more regretful is that no explanation was given for this drastic step, and no open discussion took place on the issues which led to this split. While the policy questions about the composition of working groups, and scholarships and hosting for volunteers were resolved, it seems personal disagreements still linger.
We are already quite thin on the ground in Mumbai, and need more volunteers and enthusiasts for the conference to be successful. For Mumbai's sister city of Pune to secede at this nascent stage in the formation of the all-India Wikipedia movement is indeed sad.
At our meeting on Saturday, we discussed these points, and how we can strengthen the working group by assigning official Points of Contact (PoC) in every team/committee. For each team there will be a "backup" PoC if the main PoC cannot attend weekly online meetings, and devote time to their organisational duties.
This conference needs all the help it can get. Certain teams (logistics/venue, technical/IT, party/fun) will benefit from PoCs based in Mumbai, but all working groups can benefit from participation by Wikipedians anywhere in India, including Pune.
S.K.
On 09/18/2011 05:12 PM, Kundan Amitabh wrote:
Hi !
We regret the withdrawal of Pune community from the organisation of the conference and sincerely hope that this will not affect their continuing participation in the conference itself.
Best Regards.
Kundan Amitabh Managing Director, Ang India Technologies, www.angindia.co http://www.angindia.co/
====================== 9768884444 / 9869478444 ======================
Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:42:54 +0100 (BST) From: Mandar Kulkarni <mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk mailto:mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk>
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Dear All,
This to formally communicate to all that Pune wikipedians are withdrawing from the co-hosting of the Conference due to the differences came in?Mumbai and Pune communities and many other unresolved?issues.
For your information pls.
With Regards,
Mandar V. Kulkarni
Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list Wikimedia-in-mum@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum
--
Shekhar Krishnan 58/58A, Anand Bhavan 201, T.H. Kataria Marg (Lady Hardinge Road) Mahim, Mumbai 400016, India
http://heptanesia.net http://web.mit.edu/shekhar
WikiConference-India mailing list WikiConference-India@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiconference-india
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Why can't we work together? Please explain and discuss.
Best,
Shekhar
On 09/19/2011 10:18 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote:
Thank you Pradeep for the sentiments. It is indeed sad that we could not work together but our mutual respect continues and indeed we continue to support the WikiConference. Individual members of the Pune community continue to work in their individual capacities. We are confident that with effort of Mumbai community supported by all Indian Wikimedians including friends from abroad, the Conference will be a great success.
Warm regards,
Ashwin Baindur
On Mon, Sep 19, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Pradeep Mohandas <pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com mailto:pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com> wrote:
Dear Mandar and the Pune community, I'm writing this email on behalf of Pranav, myself and everyone else in the Mumbai Community. We are really sorry that Pune has pulled out of being co-hosts. In this email, we wanted to apologise for our contribution in your making this decision and acknowledge the effort that the Pune community has put in into this Conference. We feel bad that the situation has come to this. It is not fair for only one party to take the blame for making such a decision. For all the faults that we may have committed knowingly or unknowingly, “Sorry”. At this point, it will be unfair if we did not acknowledge the role that Pune has played in bringing the Conference to this point. Let me re-assert that the Conference would not have taken off without the help of the Pune community. For everything that you have done, please accept our heartfelt “Thank you”. We also want to say that we need a lot of help in taking forward the conference and we do hope that the Pune community will be involved in any and every capacity they choose for the conference. Warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas On 19 September 2011 17:36, Shekhar Krishnan <shekhar@mit.edu <mailto:shekhar@mit.edu>> wrote: In the meeting this Saturday we officially recorded the deep regret of everyone present at the withdrawal of the Pune community from the conference organisation. What is more regretful is that no explanation was given for this drastic step, and no open discussion took place on the issues which led to this split. While the policy questions about the composition of working groups, and scholarships and hosting for volunteers were resolved, it seems personal disagreements still linger. We are already quite thin on the ground in Mumbai, and need more volunteers and enthusiasts for the conference to be successful. For Mumbai's sister city of Pune to secede at this nascent stage in the formation of the all-India Wikipedia movement is indeed sad. At our meeting on Saturday, we discussed these points, and how we can strengthen the working group by assigning official Points of Contact (PoC) in every team/committee. For each team there will be a "backup" PoC if the main PoC cannot attend weekly online meetings, and devote time to their organisational duties. This conference needs all the help it can get. Certain teams (logistics/venue, technical/IT, party/fun) will benefit from PoCs based in Mumbai, but all working groups can benefit from participation by Wikipedians anywhere in India, including Pune. S.K. On 09/18/2011 05:12 PM, Kundan Amitabh wrote: > Hi ! > > We regret the withdrawal of Pune community from the organisation of the > conference and sincerely hope that this will not affect their > continuing participation in the conference itself. > > Best Regards. > > Kundan Amitabh > Managing Director, > Ang India Technologies, > www.angindia.co <http://www.angindia.co> <http://www.angindia.co/> > ====================== > 9768884444 / 9869478444 > ====================== > > ----------------------------------------------- > > Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2011 15:42:54 +0100 (BST) > From: Mandar Kulkarni <mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk> > <mailto:mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk <mailto:mvkulkarni23@yahoo.co.uk>>> > Subject: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pune community > To: Wikimedia India Community list > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>>, > "wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>" > <wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> > <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org>>> > Message-ID: > <1316184174.35491.YahooMailNeo@web24004.mail.ird.yahoo.com <mailto:1316184174.35491.YahooMailNeo@web24004.mail.ird.yahoo.com> > <mailto:1316184174.35491.YahooMailNeo@web24004.mail.ird.yahoo.com <mailto:1316184174.35491.YahooMailNeo@web24004.mail.ird.yahoo.com>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > Dear All, > > This to formally communicate to all that Pune wikipedians are > withdrawing from the co-hosting of the Conference due to the differences > came in?Mumbai > and Pune communities and many other unresolved?issues. > > For your information pls. > > With Regards, > > Mandar V. Kulkarni > ----------------------------------------------------- > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-in-mum mailing list > Wikimedia-in-mum@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimedia-in-mum@lists.wikimedia.org> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-in-mum -- Shekhar Krishnan 58/58A, Anand Bhavan 201, T.H. Kataria Marg (Lady Hardinge Road) Mahim, Mumbai 400016, India http://heptanesia.net http://web.mit.edu/shekhar _______________________________________________ WikiConference-India mailing list WikiConference-India@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:WikiConference-India@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikiconference-india -- Pradeep Mohandas How Pradeep uses email - http://goo.gl/6v1I9 _______________________________________________ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org <mailto:Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l
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Dear Pradeep, Thank you very much for your email and appreciating that Pune Community has done some work for the wiki-conference in last 2-3 months. We have not stopped people to participate individually in the conference activities. There are quite a few requests from many members to us to participate in the conference itself (on conference dates). We also feel that we all would love attend the conference and we are eager for that as this is the 1st conference happening in Maharashtra. But the decision of Pune members attending the wiki conference looks now more or less a individual decision. At present, we really do not have data how many members have applied for scholarship and how many got it. We also need to understand that if he/she do not get the scholarship and wish to attend the conference, then staying in Mumbai for 3-4 days, travel from Pune to Mumbai & back and spend on food and local logistics is a sizable expenditure for an individual. It is the decision of scholarship team to confirm to the individuals for selection for scholarship so that at least those people can definitely participate in the conference. I hope, this communication will be taken in the positive spirit and will not have any impact on Conference work. We wish our BEST wishes for the conference. With Regards,
Mandar V. Kulkarni
From: Pradeep Mohandas pradeep.mohandas@gmail.com
To: WikiConference India 2011 wikiconference-india@lists.wikimedia.org; Discussion list on Indian language projects of Wikimedia. wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Cc: Mailing list for Wikimedians / Wikipedians in Mumbai-India wikimedia-in-mum@lists.wikimedia.org; Wikipedia Pune Mailing List wikimedia-in-pun@lists.wikimedia.org Sent: Monday, 19 September 2011, 22:09 Subject: Re: [WikiConference-India 2011] [Wikimedia-in-mum] Withdrawal of Pune community - Re : [Wikimediaindia-l] Pune community
Dear Mandar and the Pune community,
I'm writing this email on behalf of Pranav, myself and everyone else in the Mumbai Community. We are really sorry that Pune has pulled out of being co-hosts. In this email, we wanted to apologise for our contribution in your making this decision and acknowledge the effort that the Pune community has put in into this Conference.
We feel bad that the situation has come to this. It is not fair for only one party to take the blame for making such a decision. For all the faults that we may have committed knowingly or unknowingly, “Sorry”.
At this point, it will be unfair if we did not acknowledge the role that Pune has played in bringing the Conference to this point. Let me re-assert that the Conference would not have taken off without the help of the Pune community. For everything that you have done, please accept our heartfelt “Thank you”.
We also want to say that we need a lot of help in taking forward the conference and we do hope that the Pune community will be involved in any and every capacity they choose for the conference.
Warm regards, Pradeep Mohandas
On 19 September 2011 17:36, Shekhar Krishnan shekhar@mit.edu wrote:
In the meeting this Saturday we officially recorded the deep regret of
everyone present at the withdrawal of the Pune community from the conference organisation.
What is more regretful is that no explanation was given for this drastic step, and no open discussion took place on the issues which led to this split. While the policy questions about the composition of working groups, and scholarships and hosting for volunteers were resolved, it seems personal disagreements still linger.
We are already quite thin on the ground in Mumbai, and need more volunteers and enthusiasts for the conference to be successful. For Mumbai's sister city of Pune to secede at this nascent stage in the formation of the all-India Wikipedia movement is indeed sad.
At our meeting on Saturday, we discussed these points, and how we can strengthen the working group by assigning official Points of Contact (PoC) in every team/committee. For each team there will be a "backup" PoC if the main PoC cannot attend weekly online meetings, and devote time to their organisational duties.
This conference needs all the help it can get. Certain teams (logistics/venue, technical/IT, party/fun) will benefit from PoCs based in Mumbai, but all working groups can benefit from participation by Wikipedians anywhere in India, including Pune.
S.K.
On 09/18/2011 05:12 PM, Kundan Amitabh wrote:
Hi !
We regret the withdrawal of Pune community from the organisation of the conference and sincerely hope that this will not affect their continuing participation in the conference itself.
Best Regards.
Kundan Amitabh Managing Director, Ang India Technologies, www.angindia.co http://www.angindia.co/
====================== 9768884444 / 9869478444 ======================
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Dear All,
This to formally communicate to all that Pune wikipedians are withdrawing from the co-hosting of the Conference due to the differences came in?Mumbai and Pune communities and many other unresolved?issues.
For your information pls.
With Regards,
Mandar V. Kulkarni
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http://heptanesia.net http://web.mit.edu/shekhar
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