Hi,
As I understand (and tried on translatewiki), Narayanam gives option of both the methods. phonetic is the default.
Let people choose whatever they want. Personally, I believe inscript should be used as default. If we give choices, people will always use the other one.
Regards -Sudhanwa
On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Shiju Alex shiju@wikimedia.org wrote:
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Before making a decision on this, I suggest to conduct a survey among existing Marathi wikipedians.
We cannot enforce a typing scheme on newbies when we are not getting enough contributes to Marathi wikipedia. Even the latest report shows Marathi wikipedia has just 47 active contributors. If transliteration is brining in more new users please go for that. If Inscript is brining in more new users use that. I am not sure how many of the existing users are using InScript. So make a decision based on the typing habit of existing users and potential new users.
The aim should be bringing in more Marathi speakers to marathi wiki.
2011/12/13 Saleel Kulkarni saleelk@gmail.com
I agree with and endorse each of Sushant’s statements.****
*Saleel Kulkarni*
*From:* सुशान्त देवळेकर(Sushant Devlekar) [mailto: sushant.devlekar@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, 13 December, 2011 11:29 AM *To:* Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia *Cc:* Marathi Wikipedia; marathi opensourse; deonagari; Wikimedia-IN-PUN@lists.wikimedia.org; mumbai list; Abhay Natu; Ajay Garg; anand.katikar@gmail.com; V Narsikar; bhashapune@gmail.com; PRATIK DIXIT; Dr Anand Padhye; head.marathi@bamu.net; iamharshal@yahoo.com; info@pujasoft.net; info@vishwakosh.org.in; Sudhnwa Joglekar; Omkar Joshi; Mandar Kulkarni; Saleel Kulkarni; Kaustubh Samudra; Mahitgar From Marathi Wikipedia; Madhav Shirvalkar; msrkiran@gmail.com; shantanu oak; Subhash Pawar; prabodh1987@gmail.com; puremarathi@gmail.com; rahuldeshmukh101@gmail.com; Rahuldeshmukh101; rama@cdacb.ernet.in; vishvakosh nirmiti mandal Wai; Amit Yadav; santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com; v padhye; atultulshi@gmail.com; "Abhishek Suryawanshi"; harshad.gune@gmail.com; "Nikhil Kadadi"; "Pallavi Kelkar"; "sagar markal"; milind@thebhandarakars.com *Subject:* Re: Fw: [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia****
Thanks for this forward. In my opinion the transliteration should not be the default input method. It should made available as non default.
- Inscript is the standard keyboard layout approved by Govt. of India
and thus it is our duty to encourage it's use. 2. When we make inscript non default, we are encouraging people not tto use it. 3. If any one does not know or does not want to use Inscript, she can use other methods i. e. transliteration etc. 4. There is no standard transliteration scheme available. All available schemes differ with each other in some points. Thus it is not a wise decision to make a non standard method as default. It should be available as non default.
Sushant****
2011/12/13 Mahitgar from Marathi Wikipedia mahitgar@yahoo.co.in****
Dear All ****
From Marathi Language Wikipedia we had requested mediawiki technical team to make a phonetic Marathi font transliteration system default for all anonymous users and new editors who have not completed edits upto 500 edits just simply because if we study edits of new comers and anonymous users it seems that they usualy do not understand how to enable present optional transliteration system.****
the Narayam extension as updated for Marathi Language is in beta version available for testing at translatewiki.nethttp://translatewiki.net/wiki/Portal:Mr. We have received following reply to our Our technical request which is submitted at https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669 ****
This is for your information and discussion after the discussion we will put the information on Marathi Wikipedia poll page and confirm apropriate marathi wikipedia community decesion.****
Following forwarded reply is self explanatory, We seek openions from all of you so this is for your information and discussion .Please keep this discussion in english so non marathi development team members can understand our discussion.****
Regards****
mahitgar****
----- Forwarded Message ----- *From:* "bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org" bugzilla-daemon@wikimedia.org *To:* mahitgar@yahoo.co.in *Sent:* Monday, 12 December 2011 12:35 PM *Subject:* [Bug 32669] Enable Narayam on mr.wikipedia
https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=32669
--- Comment #2 from Santhosh Thottingal santhosh.thottingal@gmail.com 2011-12-12 07:05:32 UTC --- (In reply to comment #0)
Dear All , Thanks for updating Narayam to Marathi Language requirements in recent Hackathon in Mumbai.(You can view the google online presentation at [
https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1uWz-tCvrRg5GaPh5lD_0aPy9CnUmRUVaHcs1...]
Now herewith Marathi Language Wikipedia requests to enable Narayam
extension on
Marathi Language Wikipedia with along with following features (Please
see
Community aproval http://mr.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%A4%B5%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%AA%E... )
The extension is available at translatewiki.net , and we marked as beta till we get feedback from the community that it is stable can be enabled in mr.wikipedia. So please test and give us confirmation that it works as expected.
1)Narayam should be default font inputting system for all unregistered
users
and all users for upto 500 edit
We can make Narayam enabled by default. But the extension does not check the edits count.
- The requested inputting facility should be applicable on all
namespaces
including inter active popup windows meant for inserting links and
references
This should be ok.
3)Also applicable at edit summary,all search windows,all input boxes
specialy
"type=create" group
The extension will be enabled in all editable fields.
4)Shall have Marathi inscript keyboard layout option too as per windows non-default option
Transliteration is the default one.
5)Should be applicable to all skins including vector
We don't support all the mediiawiki skins. Extension supports Vector, Monobook, Modern skins.
- Narayam should be default to above said user category to New User
Creation
and User Login
Extension does not distinguish uses based on any category.
7.Narayam keyboard structure should be editable to Marathi Wikipedia
sysops at
local level
No, The extension does not provide this feature.
If the community is ok with the extension after verifying it at translatewiki.net, please inform us here. We will enable it in mr wikis in the next i18n deployment.
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