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Re: [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] [Offline-l] Fwd: troubleshooting Wikipedia for schools offline project
by Nikhil Sheth 22 Feb '11

22 Feb '11

Hi Emmanuel, Thanks for your detailed help! Taking it to the logical next step, I've created a wiki page for this campaign: http://education.wikia.com/wiki/Wikipedia_For_Schools_Offline_Edition I will do my best to incorporate all your advice there; requesting you to jump in as well! All are requested to gather here and collaborate! (including mumbai and pune wikipedia lists here as well). Urging the volunteers who obtain the wikipedia for schools dump to enlist themselves here, and we'll be listing the schools that we empower - one by one! I'm proud to mention that a school I'm volunteering in Pune, where some Teach For India fellows are teaching, is the first "empowered" school, where I've installed Wikipedia for Schools in the computer lab and the office! It's an under-resourced school but now the kids there have access to a wealth of knowledge! And you should see them in action! Why I created the page in wikia : In Wikipedia, when I went to create a new page, it clearly said the content ought to be encyclopedic in nature - whereas THIS is more of a movement and recruitment page. So to be on the safe side I went to the education wikia where things are a little sparse ;). I've worked with wikia in toastmasters.wikia.com and am comfortable with it. If anyone can establish a good location on wikipedia itself, which doesn't get deleted later, and migrate everything there, it'll be great! There are lots of external links on this so need to be careful. Further plans (if you guys can help!): 1. A proliferation meetup where a lot of us can get together and copy the dump to our laptop/netbook/USB drive. 1 goes to 20... and we can scale up the project like crazy. 2. To tie up with DVD distributors and bulk-produce, provided the costs are as low as humanly possible. Maybe Wikimedia India could maintain a stock? (Seemingly Impossible) Requests: 1. Can anybody add a link to versions of Kiwix that work on non-Windows OS's like Linux, Apple, Android? My focus is on Android, for future mobile perspective... 2. Can we get a version of this that doesn't have Image files? Then the size will be much lesser. Of course, that's less attractive, but I'm looking for an opportunity to take this to mobile devices. How can we edit a .ZIM file? Cheers, Nikhil Sheth +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India www.nikhilsheth.tk Find me on: Twitter <http://twitter.com/nikhiljs> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/nikjs>| LinkedIn <http://in.linkedin.com/in/nikhiljs> | Google <http://www.google.com/profiles/nikhil.js>| RangDe<http://www.rangde.org/investor/nikhilsheth> Join me on: Pune Documentary Club<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=138497769525636>| Let's Do it Pune <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lets-do-it-Pune/103857326346659> | Toastmasters in Pune<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Toastmasters-in-Pune/148767611833746> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Emmanuel Engelhart <emmanuel(a)engelhart.org > wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi. > > On 20/01/2011 03:29, Nikhil Sheth wrote: > > I'm trying to spread wikipedia for schools offline edition in my > > city/country. Got some interested people to join in the project at the > > wikipedia > > 10th anniversary meetup at Mumbai, > > India.< > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meetup/Mumbai/WikipediaDay2011>, > > i've included them in cc. > > > > I've set up a mirror website hosting the large file in parts because > several > > people had complained they couldn't download the original thing. > > http://wikipediaforschools.4shared.com > > > > I wasn't aware of your webpage back then so used a .ZIM file that I found > on > > http://www.kiwix.org : schools-wikipedia-full-20081023-rc5.zim > > > > I hope I'm not hosting the wrong file?? > > This is a great initiative. > > The Wikipedia for schools team did not prepare any ZIM file, but > provides the collection of articles as a static set of HTML pages and > media files directly usable by any browser. > > Kiwix (so I) prepared a ZIM file containing exactly these collection of > HTML and media files to provide following advantages: > * smaller > * simpler to copy > * Compatible with Kiwix and any ZIM compatbile reader and so provide > additional features like the fulltext search engine for example. > * ... > > To answer to your question, yes schools-wikipedia-full-20081023-rc5.zim > is the last ZIM of the last Wikipedia for schools selection. > > > Could you please give me this info: > > In the press releas< > http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/charity-news/archive/2008/10/2008-wi… > >e, > > a .Torrent file is linked : > > > http://www.soschildrensvillages.org.uk/static/schools-wikipedia-full-200810… > > I need to know what are the contents of this .tar.gz file. > > Is it for windows or for linux? Is it the same .zim file only? Is it > using > > kiwix or something else? Is it pre-indexed? > > I think I have answered before to these questions. > > > On a blog post I created for this, someone posted a link to a large .zip > > saying this is a pre-indexed packaged version: > > http://download.kiwix.org/portable/wikipedia_en_for_schools.zip > > I was. > > > So is that the one I should be going with? The current one I'm hosting > needs > > a small first-run procedure that has to be done on every computer I put > it > > in, of opening the .zim file from kiwix and then indexing it. Also, I had > > problems with some older computers - the indexing never took off and we > are > > limited to click-browsing on those computers. > > Your procedure is OK, but with the ZIP file I have proposed this is > simpler: you just need to unzip and use Kiwix, install it if you want. > No indexing process is needed any more, this is already done. > > We know, they are some weird behaviours related to some specific Win > configurations which cause search engine related components failures. > This is under investigation and we hope to be able to fix it before the > final Kiwix 0.9 release. > > In any case, in the "install" directory of Kiwix, you should find this > file: > http://download.kiwix.org/dev/vcredist_x86.exe > > Please install it and it should fix the last problems. > > > Moving on from the downloading aspect, I want to set up a wiki page that > > will track the proliferation of Wikipedia for Schools. But I can't figure > > out where to create it, what name to give it and other things. So need a > > little help there. (wikipedians, you can help?) > > I have no special idea about that, but a few remarks. > > Wikipedia for schools is the project of "SOS children village UK" and > I'm sure they will be happy to get feedback directly from you. > > Kiwix also. We have already a map with involved people, developers and > users. So feel free to add new points on it: > http://www.kiwix.org/index.php/Map > > > And finally, could you connect me with more people in India who are > > associated with this project or may be interested in networking on it? Is > > there a facebook page on this? Mind if I set one up? > > Not a lot of people from India have contact us, but I will send you > separately a few email addresses. > > I'm personally really interested to any project concerning the spreading > of Kiwix and also to any feedback (feature request, bug reports, etc.) > > Regards > Emmanuel > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ > > iEYEARECAAYFAk033PcACgkQn3IpJRpNWtMaBgCfTQ1FdsRUuo/h4dLfpbw2Y7iw > 584AoLRv7mJ57fDX/GI3ZxSMUVIvYz0v > =yIa9 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >

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Day 1 and Day 2 of Gnunify
by shirish शिरीष 17 Feb '11

17 Feb '11

Dear all, Just put up Day 1 and Day 2 activities which happened at GNUnify . Was in the Wikipedia camp/room whatever hence jotted some thoughts about the same :- http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2011/02/15/gnunify-day-1/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com/2011/02/17/gnunify-day-2/ -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17

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Indian academicians on Wikipedia?
by CherianTinu Abraham 16 Feb '11

16 Feb '11

Hi, A reporter is doing a story on Indian academicians on Wikipedia.. . If you know about any academicians / people from the education system who edit Wikipedia, it would be great help.. Are there anyone in the India mailing list ? Please drop *a personal mail to me* with the contact informations , if so. Thanks in advance. Regards Tinu Cherian

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Wikimedia.IN the news - Mumbai Hindustan Times, 13th Feb 2011
by Nikhil Sheth 16 Feb '11

16 Feb '11

http://epaper.hindustantimes.com/PUBLICATIONS/HT/HM/2011/02/13/ArticleHtmls… Cheers, Nikhil Sheth +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India Teach For India <http://www.teachforindia.org/> Fellow, 2011-13 www.nikhilsheth.tk Find me on: Twitter <http://twitter.com/nikhiljs> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/nikjs>| LinkedIn <http://in.linkedin.com/in/nikhiljs> | Google <http://www.google.com/profiles/nikhil.js>| RangDe<http://www.rangde.org/investor/nikhilsheth> Join me on: Pune Documentary Club<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=138497769525636>| Let's Do it Pune <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lets-do-it-Pune/103857326346659> | Toastmasters in Pune<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Toastmasters-in-Pune/148767611833746>| Wikipedia For Schools project<http://education.wikia.com/wiki/Wikipedia_For_Schools_Offline_Edition>

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get your copy of Wikipedia for Schools +more at at GNUnify 2011, SICSR Pune, today and tomorrow
by Nikhil Sheth 11 Feb '11

11 Feb '11

Hi Wikipedians and Friends, I'll be there all day today at SICSR Pune (http://gnunify.in/) and will also transfer to someone at the college; anybody interested in getting a DVD-ready copy of *Wikipedia for Schools* Offline Edition, you can copy it from us here. Bring a USB or computing device with min 2.7GB free space. I'm very grateful for the organizers at GNUnify for giving a generous slot tomorrow (12th Feb, 11:45am) to talk and discuss about Wikipedia for Schools project. Please attend! You can read up more on it on http://tinyurl.com/WFSOE I'm also bringing the dumps of : Wikipedia English Dec 2010 selection (wikipedia_en_wp1_0.8_45000+_12_2010_alpha1.zim, 3.74GB), Hindi Wikipedia (wikipedia_hi_all_01_2011_beta1.zim, 483MB), Marathi Wikipedia (wikipedia_mr_all_01_2011_beta1.zim, 212MB), Gujrati Wikipedia (wikipedia_gu_all_01_2011_beta1.zim , 112MB) All these can of course be downloaded online from http://tmp.kiwix.org/zim/0.9/ (Due thanks to Emmanuel and Kiwix team for speedy creation of the Indian language dumps!) So see you there, and let's bridge the internet divide, using the Largest Ebooks ever Created ! (sorry, couldn't resist using that!) Cheers, Nikhil Sheth +91-966-583-1250 Pune, India Teach For India <http://www.teachforindia.org/> Fellow, 2011-13 www.nikhilsheth.tk Find me on: Twitter <http://twitter.com/nikhiljs> | Facebook<http://www.facebook.com/nikjs>| LinkedIn <http://in.linkedin.com/in/nikhiljs> | Google <http://www.google.com/profiles/nikhil.js>| RangDe<http://www.rangde.org/investor/nikhilsheth> Join me on: Pune Documentary Club<http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=138497769525636>| Let's Do it Pune <http://www.facebook.com/pages/Lets-do-it-Pune/103857326346659> | Toastmasters in Pune<http://www.facebook.com/pages/Toastmasters-in-Pune/148767611833746>| Wikipedia For Schools project<http://education.wikia.com/wiki/Wikipedia_For_Schools_Offline_Edition>

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Re: [Wikimedia-IN-PUN] [Wikimediaindia-l] GNUnify & Wikimedia
by CherianTinu Abraham 08 Feb '11

08 Feb '11

Hi Tomasz / Arthur, Welcome to India! I am also adding Pune and Mumbai Wikimedians to the loop ... Regards Tinu Cherian On Tue, Feb 8, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Tomasz Finc <tfinc(a)wikimedia.org> wrote: > Greetings all, > > I just wanted to give you guys a heads up that both Arthur Richards and I > are going to be speaking at http://gnunify.in/ this week in Pune. We have > a couple of presentations lined up including > > Title: Powering the world’s favorite wiki - Wikipedia > Abstract: Mr. Finc will talk about the Wikimedia movement, its history, > growth and chapters. He will also talk about Wikimedia’s technical > infrastructure and how this top 5 website is run. He will also provide > an overview about the software that Wikipedia uses for its websites - > Mediawiki. > > Talk Title: Mobile@Wikipedia > Talk Abstract: An introduction to Wikimedia Mobile Engineering efforts > past, present, and future. This talk will cover the current state of > Wikipedia mobile development, what’s upcoming and where Wikimedia > Foundation is looking for you to contribute. > > Talk Title: Hacking Mediawiki > Abstract: This talk will provide an introduction on how to write > Mediawiki extensions and participate in Mediawiki’s developer > community. The session will talk about the essentials of hacking - the > inspiration, software, community. It will also walkthrough an overview > of Mediawiki, an introduction to features, best-practices in security > and scalability of Mediawiki, documentation, and various ways to extend > the software. Open Source communities are key to the success of any > project. The talk will also discuss various aspects of working in > Mediawiki’s open source community successfully - how to communicate, > who and where to engage, getting your code accepted, and accessing the > right resources. > > Talk Title: Drupal + CiviCRM + Wikimedia Foundation = Awesome > Talk Abstract: This talk will provide an overview of Drupal, CiviCRM > using Wikimedia websites as the case-study. It will cover how Drupal > and CiviCRM play an important role at Wikimedia foundation as a CMS and > CRM, why these projects are cool, how Wikimedia uses these tools, and > contributing back to the open source projects. > > The schedule is still coming together so its best to check the website for > all updates. > > GNUnify will actually have a lot of Wikimedia discussions this year as it > is one of their tracks. > > For those of you that might not be familiar with Arthur and my own work, we > were part of the core team that was responsible for the fundraising > infrastructure at Wikimedia. When not fundraising I concentrate on both both > mobile and offline Wikimedia projects. Arthur focuses on backend > infrastructure and drupal based projects. > > We'd love to see any Wikimedians come by! And if you can't certainly feel > free to catch me on irc or in email to say hello. > > --tomasz > _______________________________________________ > Wikimediaindia-l mailing list > Wikimediaindia-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimediaindia-l >

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The GLAM challenge Part 3
by Ashwin Baindur 31 Jan '11

31 Jan '11

Part 3 - Witty Lama's response! Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt(a)gmail.com> Date: 2011/1/31 Subject: Re: The challenge : Was Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Liam Wyatt's visit to India To: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> Cc: shirish शिरीष <shirishag75(a)gmail.com>, Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta(a)gmail.com>, "Jogalekar, Sudhanwa" <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com> Dear all, Thank you for adding me to this thread. I will reply to various people's comments all in this email as best as I can. Ashwin wrote: It would help if WikiMedia Foundation made some guidelines and documentation on these materials. This is, in part, one of the purposes of my fellowship. You can see the first attempts of mine to lay out an idea for how this should happen here: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Documentation_%26_Case_studies Ideally, by the end of the year we will have a set of "how to" documents for different kinds of things we want to do with GLAMs, with equivalent "case study" documents written by a GLAM themselves who has already done it, explaining why it worked and how. Ashwin wrote: In such a complex environment, what is our standing to engage the GLAM institution such as Kelkar Museum? Let WikiMedia Foundation (Witty Lama, Bishakha et al) work out the modalities for a GLAM project in India. Should the pointsmen (who should "own" the project) be an editor or a WMF rep? This is also a complex question but one that is not going to be solved in the next month, probably not the next year. This is the kind of long term issue that we as a worldwide movement are slowly working out. However I have a couple of things that I think are clear: it is important to note that outreach is not the Wikimedia Foundation's role, it is the community and especially the chapters who do this [obviously it's a bit different in the USA for the moment]. For the richer chapters [e.g. UK, Germany...] I am trying to get them to hire a person to be the "outreach coordinator" to professionally manage relationships, but for individual cities, poorer chapters, or areas where there is no chapter presence (therefore - most of the world) I am currently suggesting the model of the "Wikimedia GLAM ambassador": http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Ambassadors_%26_Interns This is by no means a solid idea but we're working on it :-) The most crucial part of working with a specific GLAM is that there is a local, competent and trusted person [trusted by both Wikimedia community and the GLAM] to be the contact person. There is no formal title required for this, but it can be arranged if it helps e.g. "ambassador". Also important is that that person doesn't feel like they personally "own" that museum otherwise the great advantage of our community - the many volunteers - gets stifled by the bottleneck of one person trying to promote their own power. shirish wrote: The point I wanted to make is because there is only digital american and European art that is the culture which is ingrained and known about, the rest of the world is just not known and games have been an influencer atleast to young and middling age group audiences world over. Yes - there is definitely a defect of cultural heritage available digitally from non western countries, for a variety of reasons. However, this sometimes goes the other direction (with the less developed country getting their content more available than the developed country - e.g. Argentina's Wikimedia Chapter has been given national TV footage from the [[Falklands war]] to put on the Spanish Wikipedia but the BBC in England has not given any footage for the English Wikipedia! I don't pretend to know all of the situation in India and it's cultural heritage organisations, but I can make an educated guess that one of the major problems in India is: 1) Vast amounts of objects/papers/materials that is uncatalogued and poorly stored (probably deteriorating) 2) Lack of digitisation money and equipment. This is not just a "developing world problem" - it is also the case in the Australian national archives too... But, this brings the problem of a lack of Indian cultural heritage online back to a much more fundamental level than poor SEO, it is about cataloguing, preserving and digitizing. Only then do we get to questions of "what metadata format" or "what copyright" etc. If this is true, perhaps then (and this is just an idea), one thing that Wikimedia India could be doing with State/National Archives and Libraries is funding the purchase and operation of digitisation equipment. For example: there could be a "Wikimedia digitisation officer" in the State Archives paid by WMF/WM-ID. In exchange for doing good quality digitsation for free, the Wikimedia community gets a copy of the scan. It could also be done as part of a "residency" at the GLAM where Wikipedians ask for specific documents/facts to be found and the resident does the research and makes the scan. It would be a good way of extracting "new" history from these institutions perhaps? Ashwin Wrote: this is a complex operation where the Wikimedia Foundation plays a larger role, where editors better not promise more than they can deliver and where commitments which are made must be honoured. Correct. As I said in my blogpost "how to make cultural collaborations scale" http://www.wittylama.com/2010/11/how-to-make-cultural-collaborations-scale/ it is important that we have professional, ongoing relationship management with external organisations. by "professional" I do not necessarily mean "paid" but I do mean "formal". It is no longer appropriate for Wikimedia to be telling cultural organisations that request to work with us to "leave a message on the talkpage" or for us to talk about "liberating" their content. Of course, getting to that stage is the tricky part, and that's what my job is about :-) If people are particularly interested in continuing discussions about GLAM-Wikimedia issues generally then I invite you to join the relevant mailinglist, described here: http://outreach.wikimedia.org/wiki/GLAM/Contact I hope this email has helped! Please forward it to any relevant mailinglists if you wish. Sincerely, -Liam wittylama.com/blog Peace, love & metadata

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The GLAM challenge Part 2
by Ashwin Baindur 31 Jan '11

31 Jan '11

Part 2 - Shirish's views. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: shirish शिरीष <shirishag75(a)gmail.com> Date: 2011/1/29 Subject: Re: The challenge : Was Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Liam Wyatt's visit to India To: Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta(a)gmail.com> Cc: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>, "Jogalekar, Sudhanwa" <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com>, Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt(a)gmail.com> At bottom :- On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 02:16, Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Dear Ashwin, > > Many thanks for this note - am ccing Liam Wyatt as suggested by you. > > Liam: on this thread are Ashwin, Shirish, Sudhanwa - wikimedians and free > software folks from Pune. Hi all, I do not know how much I can help in this project. A bit embarrassed as I have some strong opinions on this matter and a slightly different take on it. No artist, no software developer either, just a blogger and a FOSS user. >From what little I know of museums they are a large repository of not just historical documents and artefacts but also cultural, whether they may be nice-looking artefacts such as motifs,symbols or/and artefacts which makes us imagine how our ancestors lived. Some of these cultural history is just lost. I am a foodie as well like cooking (not much skillful but ok enough to make sure that I do not go hungry) hence taking a cooking example. Just to take an stupid/simple example, look at 'Kadai' https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Kadai for reference. I have seen implementations of Kadai over centuries in some of the museums so do not think it is something which got/happened yesterday but over centuries. I do know that the Thais have a similar kind of utensil (made of wood though) which they use for rice, noodles whatever. I forgot the name however. Do they share some kind of rich background, something I/We are not aware of, do not know ? Did the Buddhists went with the Kadai to Thailand and fashioned it with wood there (perhaps wood was more abundant than steel,iron etc. in those times) I have no idea. I am sure there are so many examples that my puny mind cannot comprehend just have to say that this is a project which is needed because sadly history is being wiped out here as elsewhere in the name of modernism. Another off-take would be because there is not so much content in the commons of such historical and cultural pieces, digital games and art pieces also have just American and European culture in it. > Best > Bishakha So will end this mail with hopefulness that Ashwin and Sudhanwa can take this project forward and atleast jump start the process. <snipped> -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: shirish शिरीष <shirishag75(a)gmail.com> Date: 2011/1/29 Subject: Re: The challenge : Was Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Liam Wyatt's visit to India To: Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta(a)gmail.com> Cc: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com>, "Jogalekar, Sudhanwa" <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com>, Liam Wyatt <liamwyatt(a)gmail.com> Adding at bottom :- 2011/1/29 shirish शिरीष <shirishag75(a)gmail.com>: > Another off-take would be because there is not so much content in the > commons of such historical and cultural pieces, digital games and art > pieces also have just American and European culture in it. The point I wanted to make is because there is only digital american and European art that is the culture which is ingrained and known about, the rest of the world is just not known and games have been an influencer atleast to young and middling age group audiences world over. -- Regards, Shirish Agarwal शिरीष अग्रवाल My quotes in this email licensed under CC 3.0 http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/3.0/ http://flossexperiences.wordpress.com 065C 6D79 A68C E7EA 52B3 8D70 950D 53FB 729A 8B17

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The GLAM challenge Part 1
by Ashwin Baindur 31 Jan '11

31 Jan '11

Please ref to the previous post titled "The GLAM Challenge). Part 1 consisting of Posts (two) by Ashwin Baindur given below Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> Date: Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 7:52 PM Subject: The challenge : Was Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Liam Wyatt's visit to India To: Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta(a)gmail.com>, "Jogalekar, Sudhanwa" <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com> Cc: "Agarwal, Shirish" <shirishag75(a)gmail.com> Inline... > On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM, Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> > wrote: >> >>This is a very big challenge in so many dimensions, I kid you not. >> > Let's discuss this in more detail. > The way I understand it, the objective of GLAM Wiki is to bring a host of material in conventional repositories onto the free domain (I dont want to call it public domain). WikiMedia Foundation has made some progress in this issue as one occasionally sees : * Bits of news from the blogs or Signpost mentioning them. * The Commons page announces these deals prominently. They also included details & links to Commons Projects wherein these images are to be sorted/categorised/processed in some way by the editors. The TropenMuseum is a museum in Amsterdam about the Tropics. The museum has a large collection of objects and photographs about the Tropics. The museum will donate images about two former Dutch colonies, Suriname and Indonesia, to Commons. The first uploads are about Suriname and particularly the Maroon culture from Suriname and it is followed by material that has Indonesia as its subject. Indonesian Wikipedians have agreed to translate all the Dutch captions and metadata into Bahasa Indonesia so that the people of Indonesia could interact with the material. The State Library Of Queensland has donated 50,000 public domain images, with metadata, to Wikimedia Commons. The ages fall under 50,000 subject headings, which need to be mapped to Commons categories. Editors need to do this. A bot is uploading the images. Now, what is not known are the exact specifics of what such an engagement with a GLAM consists of and what are the responsibilities and expectations. It would help if WikiMedia Foundation made some guidelines and documentation on these materials. But using common sense, I'm sure it will go along these lines... * Liaison with the GLAM institution. Sell the idea to them. * Work out the crux point - the freedom issues, especially in light of copyright, local and international rights. * Examine all stakeholder issues and resolve them. * Work out the details of the activities, roles, responsibilities and partnership to concurrence of all. * Ideally create a CPM/PERT chart for monitoring. * Arranging funding for some of the activities. * Outreach with the community to get them to buy into helping out with the crowdsourced activities. * Legal vetting of the agreement. This has to be between WikiMedia Foundation and GLAM Institution not us editors. Only then... * Write up an agreement. * Begin operations, monitor, report, sort out issues, blah, blah..... * Publicity and get good PR. In this case, we need to understand, who are the stakeholders - * GLAM Institution(s), * Wikimedia Foundation, * State Govt of India, * Central Govt of India, * Pointsman for GLAM activities on behalf of WMF (Witty Lama), * WMF's India office (Bishakha till its established), * Local Editors chapter of Pune ( us ) * Wikimedia India (Arun Ram) * press * society in general * Editors around the world (including India) * Funding agencies * contractors In such a complex environment, what is our standing to engage the GLAM institution such as Kelkar Museum? Let WikiMedia Foundation (Witty Lama, Bishakha et al) work out the modalities for a GLAM project in India. Should the pointsmen (who should "own" the project) be an editor or a WMF rep? Ideally, WMF needs to hire a full time guy to be on this and work out the specifics of a hundred issues who can mentor the Indian projects thorough the project in case some editor takes up the pointsmans role for a project. >> Bishakha, we need integration for an India English Wikipedia community >> because thats whom the Foundation will have to fall back on to support >> it. We cant be talking on lists parochially as is happening in in >> terms of Pune, Mumbai, Bangalore or in terms of Kn, Ml, Mr WPs for >> GLAM projects as GLAM projects provide knowledge and resources to the complete world & wiki community, definitely India's (my additions in tis email) >> independent of language of Wikipedia platform. As regards, the integration etc which needs to be discussed in more detail, I started off plannning to do that but wrote a wholly different email instead :-). These are my thoughts, for your consideration Bishakha, you may like to cc this to Witty Lama if you feel it is appropriate Ashwin Ashwin Baindur previously wrote :.... ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Ashwin Baindur <ashwin.baindur(a)gmail.com> Date: Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:53 PM Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Liam Wyatt's visit to India To: Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com> Cc: Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta(a)gmail.com> Inline.. On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:02 PM, Sudhanwa Jogalekar <sudhanwa.com(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Hi, > > If there is some interest in doing something with Raja Kelkar Museum, > Pune ( http://www.rajakelkarmuseum.com ), I can connect to the main > person there. > > He is also "Sudhanwa" and I know him for ages :-) > > -Sudhanwa Dear Sudhanwa, Thanks for the offer about the Kelkar Museum. I have pondered over it and, uncharacteristically for me, I feel we should wait for the GLAM-Wiki scene to come about in Pune. The short time of Liam's stay in India, little chance of his visiting Pune and our own commitments at GNUNIFY are indicators against doing anything right now more than meeting and exchanging ideas. Another reason, we have not quite built up our Wikipedian community in Pune as yet. The problem is not so much of Kelkar Museum agreeing to provides its treasures for outreach but that we may not be able to live upto the expectations. Tremendous amount of work will be involved. Typically a museum may donate images in thousands or even hundreds of thousands. The Troppenmuseum and Queensland Museum examples come to mind. Typically, there are expectations on the editor community for participating in batch process activities, such as going over the material, sorting it out, uploading, categorising etc. Bishakha, we need integration for an India English Wikipedia community because thats whom the Foundation will have to fall back on to support it. We cant be talking on lists parochially as is happening in in terms of Pune, Mumbai, Bangalore or in terms of Kn, Ml, Mr WPs for GLAM projects as GLAM projects provide knowledge and resources independent of language of Wikipedia platform. This is a very big challenge in so many dimensions, I kid you not. So what should we do in the meantime? As per me for the Pune chapter- we could finish our GNUNIFY event, and meet Witty Lama. After that, we may reach out to Kelkar Museum and explore possibilities before we commit. Our Community of Wikipedians both Puneri & National need development before we commit to support any GLAM venture. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------

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The GLAM challenge
by Ashwin Baindur 31 Jan '11

31 Jan '11

Hi everybody, A short discussion offlist about GLAM is being put up for community's information and participation. It is being added in three posts - Part 1 - post by Ashwin Baindur about some thoughts on GLAM Projects, and Part 2 - post about Shirish Agarwal 's views Part 3 - reply by Witty Lama on these emails Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur ------------------------------------------------------

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