Hello all,
The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement, covering issues such as:
- plagiarism - misconduct - reviewer confidentiality - harassment
Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few are unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large group authorship https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Authorship, attribution of content from Wikipedia https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Attribution, and the definition of a preprint server https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Preprint_definition .
It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to check that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over time as needed.
Ethics statement draft: Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement
Discussion held here: Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates
All the best, Thomas
Thomas, colleagues,
the draft statement seems very much along the right lines.
One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's.
All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of
* "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes other than Wikiversity's. * Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text. * Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list of citations."
I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics.
I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources."
Ian Alexander
Hello all,
The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement, covering issues such as:
- plagiarism
- misconduct
- reviewer confidentiality
- harassment
Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few are unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large group authorship https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Authorship, attribution of content from Wikipedia https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Attribution, and the definition of a preprint server https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Preprint_definition .
It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to check that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over time as needed.
Ethics statement draft: Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement
Discussion held here: Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates
All the best, Thomas
Dear all
Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does imply publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"?
All the best Frances
________________________________________ From: wjhboard@googlegroups.com [wjhboard@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Ian Alexander [iany@scenarioplus.org.uk] Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 To: Thomas Shafee Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard@googlegroups.com; WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci@googlegroups.com; wijoumed@googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement
Thomas, colleagues,
the draft statement seems very much along the right lines.
One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's.
All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of
* "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes other than Wikiversity's. * Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text. * Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list of citations."
I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics.
I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources."
Ian Alexander
Hello all,
The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement, covering issues such as:
- plagiarism
- misconduct
- reviewer confidentiality
- harassment
Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few are unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large group authorship https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Authorship, attribution of content from Wikipedia https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Attribution, and the definition of a preprint server https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Preprint_definition .
It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to check that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over time as needed.
Ethics statement draft: Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement
Discussion held here: Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates
All the best, Thomas
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Hmmm...chiming in as someone from a humanities discipline, and someone new this process, I had imagined that the lowest hanging fruit in terms of getting contributions from active scholars to the WJH would be asking people to reframe their current research for the journal. Since we follow the standard practice of considering it as plagiarism to recycle prior published work (as per the Originality of publication and plagiarism section of the draft), it doesn't seem very practical to concurrently limit them citing their own work. Isn't the idea that we want the people at the forefront of their topic to be contributing? Again, I might be missing something in the discussion since I'm new to the editorial board, but phrasing such as "self-promotion" seems to render problematic something that I would take to be business as usual. All best, Anne
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Frances Di Lauro < frances.dilauro@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
Dear all
Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does imply publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"?
All the best Frances
From: wjhboard@googlegroups.com [wjhboard@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Ian Alexander [iany@scenarioplus.org.uk] Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 To: Thomas Shafee Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard@googlegroups.com; WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci@googlegroups.com; wijoumed@googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement
Thomas, colleagues,
the draft statement seems very much along the right lines.
One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's.
All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of
- "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes other
than Wikiversity's.
- Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text.
- Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list of
citations."
I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics.
I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources."
Ian Alexander
Hello all,
The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement>,
covering issues such as:
- plagiarism
- misconduct
- reviewer confidentiality
- harassment
Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few are unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large group authorship <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Authorship>,
attribution of content from Wikipedia <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Attribution>,
and the definition of a preprint server <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Preprint_definition>
.
It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to check that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over time as needed.
Ethics statement draft: Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement>
Discussion held here: Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_
statement_updates
Group#Ethics_statement_updates>
All the best, Thomas
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Great feedback and discussion everyone.
I think compelling points are being made on removing the explicit self-citation limit. I think what such guidelines are attempting to achieve in other journals is to prevent people churning out papers that only cite themselves in order to bump up their own citations stats.
Perhaps it's possible to reword it as something about publications should not be for the purpose of self-promotion?
As an example, this submission by George Chandy cites a lot of his lab's own work, but then they did discover the protein and the citations are being used appropriately to support statements: ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases
I'll make a similar comment over at the Discussion page https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Self-citation for the record. Thomas
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 at 09:20 Anne McClanan anne.mcclanan@pdx.edu wrote:
Hmmm...chiming in as someone from a humanities discipline, and someone new this process, I had imagined that the lowest hanging fruit in terms of getting contributions from active scholars to the WJH would be asking people to reframe their current research for the journal. Since we follow the standard practice of considering it as plagiarism to recycle prior published work (as per the Originality of publication and plagiarism section of the draft), it doesn't seem very practical to concurrently limit them citing their own work. Isn't the idea that we want the people at the forefront of their topic to be contributing? Again, I might be missing something in the discussion since I'm new to the editorial board, but phrasing such as "self-promotion" seems to render problematic something that I would take to be business as usual. All best, Anne
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Frances Di Lauro < frances.dilauro@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
Dear all
Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does imply publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"?
All the best Frances
From: wjhboard@googlegroups.com [wjhboard@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Ian Alexander [iany@scenarioplus.org.uk] Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 To: Thomas Shafee Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard@googlegroups.com; WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci@googlegroups.com; wijoumed@googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement
Thomas, colleagues,
the draft statement seems very much along the right lines.
One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's.
All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of
- "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes other
than Wikiversity's.
- Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text.
- Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list of
citations."
I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics.
I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources."
Ian Alexander
Hello all,
The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics <
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
, covering issues such as:
- plagiarism
- misconduct
- reviewer confidentiality
- harassment
Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few are unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large
group
authorship <
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
, attribution of content from Wikipedia <
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
, and the definition of a preprint server <
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
.
It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to check that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over time as needed.
Ethics statement draft: Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement <
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
Discussion held here:
Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates
<
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement...
All the best, Thomas
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I think it should be up to the reviewers to decide whether any self-citation is excessive or not. Perhaps that should be explicitly asked to reviewers.
On the other hand, reviewers often ask to cite their work, which should also be discouraged unless appropriately motivated. This is something editors should be critical about, imho.
BW ML
Op 11 jan. 2018 1:25 a.m. schreef "Thomas Shafee" thomas.shafee@gmail.com:
Great feedback and discussion everyone.
I think compelling points are being made on removing the explicit self-citation limit. I think what such guidelines are attempting to achieve in other journals is to prevent people churning out papers that only cite themselves in order to bump up their own citations stats.
Perhaps it's possible to reword it as something about publications should not be for the purpose of self-promotion?
As an example, this submission by George Chandy cites a lot of his lab's own work, but then they did discover the protein and the citations are being used appropriately to support statements: ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_ for_autoimmune_diseases https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases
I'll make a similar comment over at the Discussion page https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Self-citation for the record. Thomas
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 at 09:20 Anne McClanan anne.mcclanan@pdx.edu wrote:
Hmmm...chiming in as someone from a humanities discipline, and someone new this process, I had imagined that the lowest hanging fruit in terms of getting contributions from active scholars to the WJH would be asking people to reframe their current research for the journal. Since we follow the standard practice of considering it as plagiarism to recycle prior published work (as per the Originality of publication and plagiarism section of the draft), it doesn't seem very practical to concurrently limit them citing their own work. Isn't the idea that we want the people at the forefront of their topic to be contributing? Again, I might be missing something in the discussion since I'm new to the editorial board, but phrasing such as "self-promotion" seems to render problematic something that I would take to be business as usual. All best, Anne
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Frances Di Lauro < frances.dilauro@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
Dear all
Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does imply publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"?
All the best Frances
From: wjhboard@googlegroups.com [wjhboard@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Ian Alexander [iany@scenarioplus.org.uk] Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 To: Thomas Shafee Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard@googlegroups.com; WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci@googlegroups.com; wijoumed@googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement
Thomas, colleagues,
the draft statement seems very much along the right lines.
One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's.
All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of
- "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes other
than Wikiversity's.
- Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text.
- Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list of
citations."
I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics.
I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources."
Ian Alexander
Hello all,
The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement>,
covering issues such as:
- plagiarism
- misconduct
- reviewer confidentiality
- harassment
Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few are unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large
group
authorship <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Authorship>,
attribution of content from Wikipedia <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Attribution>,
and the definition of a preprint server <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Preprint_definition>
.
It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to check that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over time as needed.
Ethics statement draft: Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement>
Discussion held here: Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_
statement_updates
Group#Ethics_statement_updates>
All the best, Thomas
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I agree with Laurent. In my view peer-reviewers should be the main arbiters for this and related issues. Attempting to be too prescriptive might suggest, inappropriately, that the journal family doubts the professional competence of peer-reviewers.
Kindest regards, Gwinyai
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Michaël Laurent michael.laurent@gmail.com wrote:
I think it should be up to the reviewers to decide whether any self-citation is excessive or not. Perhaps that should be explicitly asked to reviewers.
On the other hand, reviewers often ask to cite their work, which should also be discouraged unless appropriately motivated. This is something editors should be critical about, imho.
BW ML
Op 11 jan. 2018 1:25 a.m. schreef "Thomas Shafee" <thomas.shafee@gmail.com
:
Great feedback and discussion everyone.
I think compelling points are being made on removing the explicit self-citation limit. I think what such guidelines are attempting to achieve in other journals is to prevent people churning out papers that only cite themselves in order to bump up their own citations stats.
Perhaps it's possible to reword it as something about publications should not be for the purpose of self-promotion?
As an example, this submission by George Chandy cites a lot of his lab's own work, but then they did discover the protein and the citations are being used appropriately to support statements: ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_f or_autoimmune_diseases https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases
I'll make a similar comment over at the Discussion page https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Self-citation for the record. Thomas
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 at 09:20 Anne McClanan anne.mcclanan@pdx.edu wrote:
Hmmm...chiming in as someone from a humanities discipline, and someone new this process, I had imagined that the lowest hanging fruit in terms of getting contributions from active scholars to the WJH would be asking people to reframe their current research for the journal. Since we follow the standard practice of considering it as plagiarism to recycle prior published work (as per the Originality of publication and plagiarism section of the draft), it doesn't seem very practical to concurrently limit them citing their own work. Isn't the idea that we want the people at the forefront of their topic to be contributing? Again, I might be missing something in the discussion since I'm new to the editorial board, but phrasing such as "self-promotion" seems to render problematic something that I would take to be business as usual. All best, Anne
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Frances Di Lauro < frances.dilauro@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
Dear all
Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does imply publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"?
All the best Frances
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Thomas, colleagues,
the draft statement seems very much along the right lines.
One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's.
All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of
- "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes other
than Wikiversity's.
- Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text.
- Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list of
citations."
I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics.
I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources."
Ian Alexander
Hello all,
The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement>,
covering issues such as:
- plagiarism
- misconduct
- reviewer confidentiality
- harassment
Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few
are
unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large
group
authorship <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Authorship>,
attribution of content from Wikipedia <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Attribution>,
and the definition of a preprint server <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Preprint_definition>
.
It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to
check
that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over time as needed.
Ethics statement draft: Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_
ethics_statement
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement>
Discussion held here: Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_stat
ement_updates
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group
#Ethics_statement_updates>
All the best, Thomas
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I agree that asking peer-reviewers about excessive self-cite is probably overkill, and over-emphasises its importance versus other issues.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 at 01:27 Gwinyai Masukume parturitions@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Laurent. In my view peer-reviewers should be the main arbiters for this and related issues. Attempting to be too prescriptive might suggest, inappropriately, that the journal family doubts the professional competence of peer-reviewers.
Kindest regards, Gwinyai
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Michaël Laurent < michael.laurent@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it should be up to the reviewers to decide whether any self-citation is excessive or not. Perhaps that should be explicitly asked to reviewers.
On the other hand, reviewers often ask to cite their work, which should also be discouraged unless appropriately motivated. This is something editors should be critical about, imho.
BW ML
Op 11 jan. 2018 1:25 a.m. schreef "Thomas Shafee" < thomas.shafee@gmail.com>:
Great feedback and discussion everyone.
I think compelling points are being made on removing the explicit self-citation limit. I think what such guidelines are attempting to achieve in other journals is to prevent people churning out papers that only cite themselves in order to bump up their own citations stats.
Perhaps it's possible to reword it as something about publications should not be for the purpose of self-promotion?
As an example, this submission by George Chandy cites a lot of his lab's own work, but then they did discover the protein and the citations are being used appropriately to support statements:
ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases
I'll make a similar comment over at the Discussion page https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Self-citation for the record. Thomas
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 at 09:20 Anne McClanan anne.mcclanan@pdx.edu wrote:
Hmmm...chiming in as someone from a humanities discipline, and someone new this process, I had imagined that the lowest hanging fruit in terms of getting contributions from active scholars to the WJH would be asking people to reframe their current research for the journal. Since we follow the standard practice of considering it as plagiarism to recycle prior published work (as per the Originality of publication and plagiarism section of the draft), it doesn't seem very practical to concurrently limit them citing their own work. Isn't the idea that we want the people at the forefront of their topic to be contributing? Again, I might be missing something in the discussion since I'm new to the editorial board, but phrasing such as "self-promotion" seems to render problematic something that I would take to be business as usual. All best, Anne
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Frances Di Lauro < frances.dilauro@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
Dear all
Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does imply publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"?
All the best Frances
From: wjhboard@googlegroups.com [wjhboard@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Ian Alexander [iany@scenarioplus.org.uk] Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 To: Thomas Shafee Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard@googlegroups.com; WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci@googlegroups.com; wijoumed@googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement
Thomas, colleagues,
the draft statement seems very much along the right lines.
One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's.
All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of
- "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes other
than Wikiversity's.
- Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text.
- Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list of
citations."
I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics.
I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources."
Ian Alexander
Hello all,
The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics <
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
, covering issues such as:
- plagiarism
- misconduct
- reviewer confidentiality
- harassment
Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few
are
unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large
group
authorship <
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
, attribution of content from Wikipedia <
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
, and the definition of a preprint server <
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
.
It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to
check
that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it
over
time as needed.
Ethics statement draft:
Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement
<
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat...
Discussion held here:
Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates
<
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement...
All the best, Thomas
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Thomas
in that case I think we should cut down the requirement to say simply
"Reviewers may wish to consider if the amount of self-citation is appropriate for the article."
Ian
I agree that asking peer-reviewers about excessive self-cite is probably overkill, and over-emphasises its importance versus other issues.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 at 01:27 Gwinyai Masukume parturitions@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Laurent. In my view peer-reviewers should be the main arbiters for this and related issues. Attempting to be too prescriptive might suggest, inappropriately, that the journal family doubts the professional competence of peer-reviewers.
Kindest regards, Gwinyai
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Michaël Laurent < michael.laurent@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it should be up to the reviewers to decide whether any self-citation is excessive or not. Perhaps that should be explicitly asked to reviewers.
On the other hand, reviewers often ask to cite their work, which should also be discouraged unless appropriately motivated. This is something editors should be critical about, imho.
BW ML
Op 11 jan. 2018 1:25 a.m. schreef "Thomas Shafee" < thomas.shafee@gmail.com>:
Great feedback and discussion everyone.
I think compelling points are being made on removing the explicit self-citation limit. I think what such guidelines are attempting to achieve in other journals is to prevent people churning out papers that only cite themselves in order to bump up their own citations stats.
Perhaps it's possible to reword it as something about publications should not be for the purpose of self-promotion?
As an example, this submission by George Chandy cites a lot of his lab's own work, but then they did discover the protein and the citations are being used appropriately to support statements:
ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases
I'll make a similar comment over at the Discussion page https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Self-citation for the record. Thomas
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 at 09:20 Anne McClanan anne.mcclanan@pdx.edu wrote:
Hmmm...chiming in as someone from a humanities discipline, and someone new this process, I had imagined that the lowest hanging fruit in terms of getting contributions from active scholars to the WJH would be asking people to reframe their current research for the journal. Since we follow the standard practice of considering it as plagiarism to recycle prior published work (as per the Originality of publication and plagiarism section of the draft), it doesn't seem very practical to concurrently limit them citing their own work. Isn't the idea that we want the people at the forefront of their topic to be contributing? Again, I might be missing something in the discussion since I'm new to the editorial board, but phrasing such as "self-promotion" seems to render problematic something that I would take to be business as usual. All best, Anne
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Frances Di Lauro < frances.dilauro@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
Dear all
Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does imply publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"?
All the best Frances
From: wjhboard@googlegroups.com [wjhboard@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Ian Alexander [iany@scenarioplus.org.uk] Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 To: Thomas Shafee Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard@googlegroups.com; WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci@googlegroups.com; wijoumed@googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement
Thomas, colleagues,
the draft statement seems very much along the right lines.
One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's.
All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of
- "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes
other than Wikiversity's.
- Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text.
- Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list
of citations."
I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics.
I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources."
Ian Alexander
> Hello all, > > The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics > < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat... >, > covering issues such as: > > - plagiarism > - misconduct > - reviewer confidentiality > - harassment > > Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few are > unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large group > authorship > < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat... >, > attribution of content from Wikipedia > < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat... >, > and the definition of a preprint server > < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat... > > . > > It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to check > that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over > time as needed. > > Ethics statement draft: > Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_statement > < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_ethics_stat... > > > Discussion held here: > Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement_updates > < https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement... > > > > All the best, > Thomas >
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Hi all,
The self-citation part is now removed from the draft https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Draft_of_ethics_statement. I think we can let peer reviewers make case-by-case evaluations, and pending experience thereof we have the possibility to make a general guideline at a later time.
Also, there are more discussion topics relating to the ethics statement online: https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_statement
Best regards,
Mikael
On Fri, Jan 12, 2018 at 12:59 PM, Ian Alexander iany@scenarioplus.org.uk wrote:
Thomas
in that case I think we should cut down the requirement to say simply
"Reviewers may wish to consider if the amount of self-citation is appropriate for the article."
Ian
I agree that asking peer-reviewers about excessive self-cite is probably overkill, and over-emphasises its importance versus other issues.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2018 at 01:27 Gwinyai Masukume parturitions@gmail.com wrote:
I agree with Laurent. In my view peer-reviewers should be the main arbiters for this and related issues. Attempting to be too prescriptive might suggest, inappropriately, that the journal family doubts the professional competence of peer-reviewers.
Kindest regards, Gwinyai
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Michaël Laurent < michael.laurent@gmail.com> wrote:
I think it should be up to the reviewers to decide whether any self-citation is excessive or not. Perhaps that should be explicitly asked to reviewers.
On the other hand, reviewers often ask to cite their work, which should also be discouraged unless appropriately motivated. This is something editors should be critical about, imho.
BW ML
Op 11 jan. 2018 1:25 a.m. schreef "Thomas Shafee" < thomas.shafee@gmail.com>:
Great feedback and discussion everyone.
I think compelling points are being made on removing the explicit self-citation limit. I think what such guidelines are attempting to achieve in other journals is to prevent people churning out papers that only cite themselves in order to bump up their own citations stats.
Perhaps it's possible to reword it as something about publications should not be for the purpose of self-promotion?
As an example, this submission by George Chandy cites a lot of his lab's own work, but then they did discover the protein and the citations are being used appropriately to support statements:
ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_
for_autoimmune_diseases
structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases>
I'll make a similar comment over at the Discussion page <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_
Group#Self-citation>
for the record. Thomas
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 at 09:20 Anne McClanan anne.mcclanan@pdx.edu wrote:
Hmmm...chiming in as someone from a humanities discipline, and someone new this process, I had imagined that the lowest hanging fruit in terms of getting contributions from active scholars to the WJH would be asking people to reframe their current research for the journal. Since we follow the standard practice of considering it as plagiarism to recycle prior published work (as per the Originality of publication and plagiarism section of the draft), it doesn't seem very practical to concurrently limit them citing their own work. Isn't the idea that we want the people at the forefront of their topic to be contributing? Again, I might be missing something in the discussion since I'm new to the editorial board, but phrasing such as "self-promotion" seems to render problematic something that I would take to be business as usual. All best, Anne
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Frances Di Lauro < frances.dilauro@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
> Dear all > > Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does > imply > publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"? > > All the best > Frances > > > > ________________________________________ > From: wjhboard@googlegroups.com [wjhboard@googlegroups.com] on > behalf > of Ian Alexander [iany@scenarioplus.org.uk] > Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 > To: Thomas Shafee > Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard@googlegroups.com; WikiJournal > (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci@googlegroups.com; > wijoumed@googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list > Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement > > Thomas, colleagues, > > the draft statement seems very much along the right lines. > > One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement > "Authors > are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." > This > is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted > to > ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are > currently > undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as > applying > to > more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% > of > the > citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from > "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally > for > any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than > Wikiversity's. > > All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of > > * "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes > other > than Wikiversity's. > * Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text. > * Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list > of > citations." > > I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third > sentences > but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme > case > is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, > and > there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are > (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical > starting-point for most topics. > > I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors > should > read > sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately > represent the cited sources." > > Ian Alexander > > > Hello all, > > > > The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics > > < > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement
> >, > > covering issues such as: > > > > - plagiarism > > - misconduct > > - reviewer confidentiality > > - harassment > > > > Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a > few > are > > unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: > large > group > > authorship > > < > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
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> >, > > attribution of content from Wikipedia > > < > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
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> >, > > and the definition of a preprint server > > < > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
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> > > > . > > > > It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to > check > > that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it > over > > time as needed. > > > > Ethics statement draft: > > > Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_
of_ethics_statement
> > < > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/
Draft_of_ethics_statement
> > > > > > Discussion held here: > > > Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_
statement_updates
> > < > https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_
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