I agree with Laurent. In my view peer-reviewers should be the main arbiters for this and related issues. Attempting to be too prescriptive might suggest, inappropriately, that the journal family doubts the professional competence of peer-reviewers.
Kindest regards, Gwinyai
On Thu, Jan 11, 2018 at 2:18 PM, Michaël Laurent michael.laurent@gmail.com wrote:
I think it should be up to the reviewers to decide whether any self-citation is excessive or not. Perhaps that should be explicitly asked to reviewers.
On the other hand, reviewers often ask to cite their work, which should also be discouraged unless appropriately motivated. This is something editors should be critical about, imho.
BW ML
Op 11 jan. 2018 1:25 a.m. schreef "Thomas Shafee" <thomas.shafee@gmail.com
:
Great feedback and discussion everyone.
I think compelling points are being made on removing the explicit self-citation limit. I think what such guidelines are attempting to achieve in other journals is to prevent people churning out papers that only cite themselves in order to bump up their own citations stats.
Perhaps it's possible to reword it as something about publications should not be for the purpose of self-promotion?
As an example, this submission by George Chandy cites a lot of his lab's own work, but then they did discover the protein and the citations are being used appropriately to support statements: ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_f or_autoimmune_diseases https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/ShK_toxin:_history,_structure_and_therapeutic_applications_for_autoimmune_diseases
I'll make a similar comment over at the Discussion page https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Self-citation for the record. Thomas
On Thu, 11 Jan 2018 at 09:20 Anne McClanan anne.mcclanan@pdx.edu wrote:
Hmmm...chiming in as someone from a humanities discipline, and someone new this process, I had imagined that the lowest hanging fruit in terms of getting contributions from active scholars to the WJH would be asking people to reframe their current research for the journal. Since we follow the standard practice of considering it as plagiarism to recycle prior published work (as per the Originality of publication and plagiarism section of the draft), it doesn't seem very practical to concurrently limit them citing their own work. Isn't the idea that we want the people at the forefront of their topic to be contributing? Again, I might be missing something in the discussion since I'm new to the editorial board, but phrasing such as "self-promotion" seems to render problematic something that I would take to be business as usual. All best, Anne
On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 2:32 AM, Frances Di Lauro < frances.dilauro@sydney.edu.au> wrote:
Dear all
Excellent recommendations Ian. Could "self-promotion" which does imply publicity, be used rather than "self-citation"?
All the best Frances
From: wjhboard@googlegroups.com [wjhboard@googlegroups.com] on behalf of Ian Alexander [iany@scenarioplus.org.uk] Sent: 10 January 2018 02:51 To: Thomas Shafee Cc: wjmboard; WJS board; WJHboard@googlegroups.com; WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity); WikiJSci@googlegroups.com; wijoumed@googlegroups.com; WikiJHum mailing list Subject: Re: WikiJournal ethics statement
Thomas, colleagues,
the draft statement seems very much along the right lines.
One thing that stands out as needing attention is the statement "Authors are recommended to avoid excessive and inappropriate self-citation." This is vague. If it's only a recommendation then authors are permitted to ignore it. The central terms "excessive" and "inappropriate" are currently undefined. Perhaps "excessive" could be defined explicitly as applying to more than x% of the text; another definition could be more than y% of the citations. If the meaning of "inappropriate" is different from "excessive", I'd take it to imply "for publicity" or more generally for any purposes (such as promoting a product or service) other than Wikiversity's.
All this would give us a draft wording along the lines of
- "Authors must avoid self-citation for publicity or any purposes other
than Wikiversity's.
- Self-citations should not apply to more than [x]% of the text.
- Further, self-citations should not form more than [y]% of the list of
citations."
I don't think we can sensibly use "must" in the second and third sentences but they may help co-ordinators to rein in some excesses. An extreme case is where an author has written a monograph about a rare marine worm, and there's almost nobody else to cite. The placeholders x and y are (therefore) not easy to specify but 30% might be a practical starting-point for most topics.
I have very slightly copy-edited one sentence to read "Authors should read sources before citing them, and their statements should accurately represent the cited sources."
Ian Alexander
Hello all,
The WikiJournals should soon be implementing a statement of ethics <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement>,
covering issues such as:
- plagiarism
- misconduct
- reviewer confidentiality
- harassment
Many of these issues are common to all journals. In addition, a few
are
unique to the Wikipedia-integration features of WikiJournals: large
group
authorship <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Authorship>,
attribution of content from Wikipedia <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Attribution>,
and the definition of a preprint server <https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement#Wiki_Preprint_definition>
.
It would be good to have as many eyes cast over it as possible to
check
that we are happy to stand by it. We can also update and amend it over time as needed.
Ethics statement draft: Wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Draft_of_
ethics_statement
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_of_Medicine/Dra
ft_of_ethics_statement>
Discussion held here: Wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group#Ethics_stat
ement_updates
<https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Talk:WikiJournal_User_Group
#Ethics_statement_updates>
All the best, Thomas
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