My only contribution to this - apart from astonishment at Wikipedia not considering a peer reviewed journal within its own stable as a reliable source - is that in trying to create and edit Wikipedia pages and watching mine develop as others try to add to it, is a great deal of inconsistency across pages. I note for example one colleagues page has his books listed; someone did the same for mine and this was deleted in the basis of being a ‘shopping list’ and replaced by a very unhelpful list of my three most cited papers. I see same editor did this to another page that I happen to be working on. On the other hand I look at the page belonging to my cousin - a Dame - and it seems if your really elevated that anything goes in terms of what can be listed.
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On 18 Jun 2018, at 17:53, Andrew Leung <andrewcleung@hotmail.commailto:andrewcleung@hotmail.com> wrote:
Or use the ultimate trump card: IAR (ignore all rules if it prevents you from improving Wikipedia)
Andrew
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-------- Original message -------- From: Ian Alexander <iany@scenarioplus.org.ukmailto:iany@scenarioplus.org.uk> Date: 2018-06-18 12:50 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Mikael Häggström <<editor.in.chief@wikijmed.orgmailto:editor.in.chief@wikijmed.org> Cc: "WikiJournal (currently at Wikiversity)" <wikijournal-en@lists.wikimedia.orgmailto:wikijournal-en@lists.wikimedia.org>, wjmboard <wjmboard@googlegroups.commailto:wjmboard@googlegroups.com>, WJH board <wjhboard@googlegroups.commailto:wjhboard@googlegroups.com>, WJS board <wjsboard@googlegroups.commailto:wjsboard@googlegroups.com> Subject: Re: [WikiJournal-en] WikiJournal as a reference in Wikipedia
Mikael, colleagues
The discussion seems clearly against accepting WJ as a 'reliable source' at the moment. It is unclear to me whether joining the discussion to argue about reviewers' anonymity and the academic status of the board would improve matters.
I have 3 observations:
1) We may hope that in a few years' time, WJ has enough reputation that Wikipedia will be willing to treat it as a reliable journal.
2) We are free to cut-and-paste to Wikipedia any WJ material which is sufficiently well cited to reliable sources, which would include peer-reviewed papers already published elsewhere by WJ authors. I note that mathematics articles seem to require fewer citations both on Wikipedia and in WJScience.
3) We could, I think, use material on WJ that isn't covered by citations in the same way as material on a known scientist's blog: Wikipedia allows 'blog' postings to be cited provided it can be shown that the person posting it is a recognised authority. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources#User-ge... "Self-published material may sometimes be acceptable when its author is an established expert whose work in the relevant field has been published by reliable third-party publications.") Mikael might or might not wish to try to confirm that on the discussion group.
Ian
Hi all,
WikiJournal content can be used in Wikipedia as per
Editorial_guidelines#Wikipedia_inclusion
https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/WikiJournal_User_Group/Editorial_guidelines#Wikipedia_inclusion, such as reviews based on other reliable sources.
There is currently an online discussion whether content from WikiJournal of Science can be a reliable source in Wikipedia, which would allow original research from WikiJournal to be added to Wikipedia as well. I'd appreciate additional input to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Reliabi...
If the consensus is to deny this usage in Wikipedia, we could either settle for adding only content such as material from reviews, as well as images. Alternatively, we could make a better case by not allowing peer reviewers to process articles anonymously, and thereby base reliability on their credentials, in addition to the judgement of the boards. But first we'll see how this discussion goes.
Best regards,
Mikael
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