(anonymous) wrote: I wasn't thinking about a paid job, but harvesting the vol- unteer potential of the toolserver usership. If there are problems along the way, we'll sort them out. But not moving forward because there *might* be problems is not acceptable IMHO given that we have many *existing* problems right now. And that's the reason why we need more roots. There is no point in forcing all the work on two people and them to rush fixes (which usually doesn't result in good quality), when we have lots of people around who could solve issues in a jiffy. Tim

On 5 Feb 2013, at 14:49, "DaB." <WP(a)daniel.baur4.info> wrote: Are you sure? Are you saying the WMF only accepts paid roots to their own servers, or the Toolserver?

Silke Meyer wrote: I imagine that most Toolserver users are less interested in the mechanics of the machine than they are in its results. As I see it, the primary purpose of the Toolserver is to provide replicated databases. The Toolserver has other (secondary) purposes such as providing shared hosting and storage, but that is so ubiquitous on the Web these days that it's not really relevant here. Focusing solely on the replicated databases for a moment, they've been corrupt for months. Months and months. What can be done about this? Would having additional roots help with this? MZMcBride

Please excuse my possibly lame question: Is there any possible mid-step between root and regular user? Something like power-user? For instance I wanted to cleanup the mess in user store as well as more automatize the dumps, however I can't do either of it because of lack of necessary rights. And of course comparing to database, cron, jira and other issues these activities are much lower importance so current roots won't have any time for that. And vicious circle is closing... Kind regards Danny B. ---------- Původní zpráva ---------- Od: Silke Meyer <silke.meyer(a)wikimedia.de> Datum: 5. 2. 2013 Předmět: Re: [Toolserver-l] Adding more roots "Hi! DaB is right: WMF as the database owner accepts only paid roots. As to WMDE, we are ready to pay another root who is willing to work for WMDE and able to handle the requirements of the toolserver (that you know better than I do right now). You are welcome to propose people (or yourselves) or to help specify the requirements for a job advertisement. I see your point, DaB, the work you would put into instructing a new person. So another possibility could be to pay an external service provider to get a bunch of things done in one go to decrease the to do pile. Which is rather a short-term help and still requires some DaB. For this, I would need a list of tasks that you, DaB and Marlen, would like to delegate. Any opinions on this? Personally, I am new to this topic. At this point, it is hard to tell how long the transition will take, but if I may roughly estimate I think the toolserver will realistically NOT leave us in 2013. Also, I do not consider this as an attempt to "increase WMDE's influence" (at least, I am not going to brainwash people ;)) but as part of our commitment to keep up support of the toolserver. Cheers, Silke -- Silke Meyer Systemadministratorin und Projektassistenz Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 260 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. _______________________________________________ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l(a)lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_ list_etiquette"

Hello, At Wednesday 06 February 2013 00:31:31 DaB. wrote: Trust me, the toolserver is a *little* bit more complex than your machine at home. It is a full-grown cluster with more than a dozen hosts, a SAN- infrastructure, HA-services and everything is mixed with Solaris and Debian. I have more than 20 years of computer-experience, but I needed over a year to understood everything (and I still discover new things from time to time). In this case you should just wait until the end of the month and than switch to labs, leaving the toolserver with all its problems behind. Just for clarification: I do not have "convince" people to come to the toolserver, they come by alone. And we will see how many users are eager to leave if Wikilabs is ever working. Sincerely, DaB. -- Userpage: [[:w:de:User:DaB.]] — PGP: 2B255885

Hi! After consultation with WMF, I would like to correct what I wrote the other day about toolserver admins. According to Erik Möller, WMF needs all toolserver admins to Whether someone is actually paid by a chapter is not crucial. Sorry for the confusion! Cheers, Silke -- Silke Meyer Systemadministratorin und Projektassistenz Wikidata Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 260 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985.