Hi all! As, so far — to my knowlegde, nothing has been settled regarding the new MMP interwiki, I suggest that *WE* (TS users, as DaB said) speed up this step... It would be a pity if nothing has been done at April 2nd, when the new rule 9.4 will be effective (no continous interwiki-bot on the TS)... But how to choose users who will be in the MMP and actually who will be entirely responsive of the bot ? I think an election would be a bit difficult to organize - but if someone who has spare time feels like organizing it, why not ? So I suggest that people interested in getting involved in the project let all the TS users know it, emailing the toolserver-l list... Then, TS users could support or critize one or more persons till a consensus is found... And in this mannner, people designed will have a few weeks (about a fortnight I think, but it depends on the last of the debate).
Here is my plan... What do you think about it ? Any other ideas ?
Personally, I've run a globally flagged interwiki-bot (ZéroBot) for a while, under a script I wrote (but still using interwiki.py from the pywikipediabot framework), and I'm pretty interested in being a member of the MMP...
In my opinion, I suggest that (1) global bots which are on ts should have access to the MMP, (2) we shall grant every wiki (or at least every major wiki) a user (or more than one, if the wiki is big) in the MMP for it.
In this way, we may try to reflect the current situation: we have both *bots which are active in a wiki only, controlling its pages, *global bots wandering around. I think that for what concern the bots involved in the (2) above, a good idea could be asking each group of ts users working on a certain wiki to take a decision according also to the thoughts of their wiki. On a brief discussion on it.wiki bot runners' IRC channel, there were suggested (I don't know whether this is possible or not) to set up a "fake user" for interwiki on it.wiki usable by every it.wiki ts user, in order that, in case a bot runner will stop his/her activity, interwiki will have no problem. While, bots of group (1) I think are already determined.
I am interested in this issue. In fact, I was asked by DaB to find 5 or more users to found the MMP, but I hadn't been successful (and i had also to slow down my presence on wikimedia projects due to real life...).
:) Best wishes, Nickanc
2012/3/1 Toto Azéro totoazero@yahoo.fr:
Hi all! As, so far — to my knowlegde, nothing has been settled regarding the new MMP interwiki, I suggest that *WE* (TS users, as DaB said) speed up this step... It would be a pity if nothing has been done at April 2nd, when the new rule 9.4 will be effective (no continous interwiki-bot on the TS)... But how to choose users who will be in the MMP and actually who will be entirely responsive of the bot ? I think an election would be a bit difficult to organize - but if someone who has spare time feels like organizing it, why not ? So I suggest that people interested in getting involved in the project let all the TS users know it, emailing the toolserver-l list... Then, TS users could support or critize one or more persons till a consensus is found... And in this mannner, people designed will have a few weeks (about a fortnight I think, but it depends on the last of the debate).
Here is my plan... What do you think about it ? Any other ideas ?
Personally, I've run a globally flagged interwiki-bot (ZéroBot) for a while, under a script I wrote (but still using interwiki.py from the pywikipediabot framework), and I'm pretty interested in being a member of the MMP... _______________________________________________ Toolserver-l mailing list (Toolserver-l@lists.wikimedia.org) https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/toolserver-l Posting guidelines for this list: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette
Hello, At Saturday 03 March 2012 00:15:18 DaB. wrote:
In my opinion, I suggest that (1) global bots which are on ts should have access to the MMP, (2) we shall grant every wiki (or at least every major wiki) a user (or more than one, if the wiki is big) in the MMP for it.
the idea behind the MMP is it to reduce the number of running bots on the Toolserver, not to collect all bots in it ;-). And the MMP should only has (arround) 5 members, not 300.
Sincerlery, DaB.
On 03/03/12 00:07, Nickanc Wikipedia wrote:
In my opinion, I suggest that (1) global bots which are on ts should have access to the MMP, (2) we shall grant every wiki (or at least every major wiki) a user (or more than one, if the wiki is big) in the MMP for it.
In this way, we may try to reflect the current situation: we have both *bots which are active in a wiki only, controlling its pages, *global bots wandering around. I think that for what concern the bots involved in the (2) above, a good idea could be asking each group of ts users working on a certain wiki to take a decision according also to the thoughts of their wiki. On a brief discussion on it.wiki bot runners' IRC channel, there were suggested (I don't know whether this is possible or not) to set up a "fake user" for interwiki on it.wiki usable by every it.wiki ts user, in order that, in case a bot runner will stop his/her activity, interwiki will have no problem. While, bots of group (1) I think are already determined.
I am interested in this issue. In fact, I was asked by DaB to find 5 or more users to found the MMP, but I hadn't been successful (and i had also to slow down my presence on wikimedia projects due to real life...).
:) Best wishes, Nickanc
Instead of users, it should be specified in terms of 'tasks'. There's Bot A doing X because there's user B running it. Instead, the task should be presented (it's usually a command line), and run by the MMP. This can lead to a better distribution of the load. The easiest way, by running them in a queue with n slots. But if some tasks are very intensive, I'm not sure it can be done without getting big load. Maybe with short and long queues...
Perhaps someone starts work on a list, of who does what and where (with any relevant options), (on TS wiki?) so people can start discussing what and who could be useful to the MMP so the people have some sense of what needs to be done.
2012/3/3 K. Peachey p858snake@gmail.com
Perhaps someone starts work on a list, of who does what and where (with any relevant options), (on TS wiki?) so people can start discussing what and who could be useful to the MMP so the people have some sense of what needs to be done.
There we go: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Interwiki_bot_MMP_planning
Regards, MF-Warburg
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