Well I would think that we would be able to have them "opt-in" to the free licence in the same way that wikimedia does (you agree to it when you signup/submit something). We would just be giving them the opportunity to opt-out of that and still use the service. I would tend to agree with having an opt-out function, mostly for legitimate concerns like Pathoschilds.
James
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Martin Peeks martinp23@googlemail.com wrote:
On 5 February 2010 02:45, Aryeh Gregor Simetrical+wikilist@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Martin Peeks martinp23@googlemail.com wrote:
However, I feel that toolserver users should retain the *freedom* to choose how to license projects. Perhaps the docs and so on ought to be adjusted to emphasise the importance and value of free licensing, but there should be no automatic compulsion by dint of ToS to give certain freedoms to one's work. While I, certainly, would open source any further Wikimedia related tools I were to write, I strongly feel this should be a matter of personal preference.
At a minimum, though, this should be opt-out, just for pragmatic reasons. The problem isn't that TS users don't want to freely license their tools, it's that they vanish and we don't have the opportunity to ask them. If we said "All your tools are GPLv3 or later, unless you specifically say otherwise", then most tools would end up being freely-licensed, and when someone disappears, someone else could take over the tool.
The default copyright stance, unless a licence specifies otherwise, is "All Rights Reserved". I don't think we have the right to enforce a licence that is all about freedom unless a user opts-in.
I wouldn't have any problem at all with saying that if you want to write closed-source software related to Wikimedia, you can do it on your own dime and not using Wikimedia-DE's hardware, software, or administration budget. But it's not my decision to make, of course.
Closed source software can be as good as open source software - do remember that. And closed source software doesn't have to be commercial. While (imo) WM-DE should support free and open source software, this can be done in other ways. For example, by using a free and open source webserver rather than the current Zeus (which is to my knowledge closed-source - at least I cannot find source on their site).
To me, this is all about freedoms - that's all.
Martin
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