Per Apple's letter to its customers https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share this on social:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine we'll see a spike in traffic to that page
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
Per Apple's letter to its customers https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share this on social:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
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The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo).
Joe
On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine we'll see a spike in traffic to that page
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
Per Apple's letter to its customers https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share this on social:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
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The article has grown significantly today
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history
and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo).
Joe
On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine we'll see a spike in traffic to that page
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
Per Apple's letter to its customers https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share this on social:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
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Apple is invoking this 1789 law against an iPhone security request from the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
Yes or no.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article has grown significantly today
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history
and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland <jsutherland@wikimedia.org
wrote:
The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo).
Joe
On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine we'll see a spike in traffic to that page
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
Per Apple's letter to its customers https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share this on social:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
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The article does look good enough to post now, I think.
On 17 February 2016 at 21:34, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Apple is invoking this 1789 law against an iPhone security request from the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
Yes or no.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article has grown significantly today
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history
and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo).
Joe
On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine we'll see a spike in traffic to that page
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
Per Apple's letter to its customers https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share this on social:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
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https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/700071642370691072
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article does look good enough to post now, I think.
On 17 February 2016 at 21:34, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Apple is invoking this 1789 law against an iPhone security request from the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
Yes or no.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article has grown significantly today
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history
and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo).
Joe
On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine we'll see a spike in traffic to that page
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
Per Apple's letter to its customers https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share this on social:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
--
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hmmm, sorry didn't see this earlier... While true I think it would have been more correct to say that the government was citing the law against apple in some way but probably a bit late :).
[TLDR for those that don't know the law it is actually very short (and as the date says very old) and basically says: A federal Judge can issue any order necessary in order to enforce the law] while it doesn't contain any explicit "exceptions" the constitution etc are obviously assumed. It is a catchall law for when there is no explicit law or rule that allows them to order someone to do something. In this case there is no law that congress has passed saying that Apple or a company needs to decrypt a device therefore the FBI is trying to use the All Writs act as a work around to say "but this is needed for our work Judge so you have to order them to do it".
The biggest problem with the law in general is that it is SOOOO broad, nowadays it is usually used to try and get around electronic countermeasures or other 'new technology' issues.
James Alexander Manager Trust & Safety Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/700071642370691072
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Joe Sutherland <jsutherland@wikimedia.org
wrote:
The article does look good enough to post now, I think.
On 17 February 2016 at 21:34, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Apple is invoking this 1789 law against an iPhone security request from the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
Yes or no.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article has grown significantly today
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history
and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo).
Joe
On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com wrote:
I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine we'll see a spike in traffic to that page
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas <vgrigas@wikimedia.org > wrote:
> Per Apple's letter to its customers > https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share > this on social: > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act > > -- > > *Victor Grigas* > Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and > Video Content Producer > Wikimedia Foundation > vgrigas@wikimedia.org > https://donate.wikimedia.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > >
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And therefore people should know about it
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:32 PM, James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
hmmm, sorry didn't see this earlier... While true I think it would have been more correct to say that the government was citing the law against apple in some way but probably a bit late :).
[TLDR for those that don't know the law it is actually very short (and as the date says very old) and basically says: A federal Judge can issue any order necessary in order to enforce the law] while it doesn't contain any explicit "exceptions" the constitution etc are obviously assumed. It is a catchall law for when there is no explicit law or rule that allows them to order someone to do something. In this case there is no law that congress has passed saying that Apple or a company needs to decrypt a device therefore the FBI is trying to use the All Writs act as a work around to say "but this is needed for our work Judge so you have to order them to do it".
The biggest problem with the law in general is that it is SOOOO broad, nowadays it is usually used to try and get around electronic countermeasures or other 'new technology' issues.
James Alexander Manager Trust & Safety Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/700071642370691072
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article does look good enough to post now, I think.
On 17 February 2016 at 21:34, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Apple is invoking this 1789 law against an iPhone security request from the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
Yes or no.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article has grown significantly today
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history
and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo).
Joe
On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com wrote:
> I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine > we'll see a spike in traffic to that page > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas < > vgrigas@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Per Apple's letter to its customers >> https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share >> this on social: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act >> >> -- >> >> *Victor Grigas* >> Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and >> Video Content Producer >> Wikimedia Foundation >> vgrigas@wikimedia.org >> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Social-media mailing list >> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> >> > > > -- > Samuel Tarling > www.samtarling.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > >
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James is right, and I've deleted tweet. I can post again later with this wording (or an improvement from group):
The FBI is citing this 1789 law in asking Apple for iPhone security bypass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
I always appreciate someone actually writing a post for this very reason.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
hmmm, sorry didn't see this earlier... While true I think it would have been more correct to say that the government was citing the law against apple in some way but probably a bit late :).
[TLDR for those that don't know the law it is actually very short (and as the date says very old) and basically says: A federal Judge can issue any order necessary in order to enforce the law] while it doesn't contain any explicit "exceptions" the constitution etc are obviously assumed. It is a catchall law for when there is no explicit law or rule that allows them to order someone to do something. In this case there is no law that congress has passed saying that Apple or a company needs to decrypt a device therefore the FBI is trying to use the All Writs act as a work around to say "but this is needed for our work Judge so you have to order them to do it".
The biggest problem with the law in general is that it is SOOOO broad, nowadays it is usually used to try and get around electronic countermeasures or other 'new technology' issues.
James Alexander Manager Trust & Safety Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/700071642370691072
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article does look good enough to post now, I think.
On 17 February 2016 at 21:34, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Apple is invoking this 1789 law against an iPhone security request from the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
Yes or no.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article has grown significantly today
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history
and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo).
Joe
On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com wrote:
> I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine > we'll see a spike in traffic to that page > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas < > vgrigas@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> Per Apple's letter to its customers >> https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share >> this on social: >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act >> >> -- >> >> *Victor Grigas* >> Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and >> Video Content Producer >> Wikimedia Foundation >> vgrigas@wikimedia.org >> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Social-media mailing list >> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> >> > > > -- > Samuel Tarling > www.samtarling.co.uk > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > >
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The FBI is citing this 1789 *statute as it* asks Apple for iPhone security bypass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
(Not an expert, but I think it's a statute rather than a law.)
On 17 February 2016 at 22:45, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
James is right, and I've deleted tweet. I can post again later with this wording (or an improvement from group):
The FBI is citing this 1789 law in asking Apple for iPhone security bypass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
I always appreciate someone actually writing a post for this very reason.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, James Alexander <jalexander@wikimedia.org
wrote:
hmmm, sorry didn't see this earlier... While true I think it would have been more correct to say that the government was citing the law against apple in some way but probably a bit late :).
[TLDR for those that don't know the law it is actually very short (and as the date says very old) and basically says: A federal Judge can issue any order necessary in order to enforce the law] while it doesn't contain any explicit "exceptions" the constitution etc are obviously assumed. It is a catchall law for when there is no explicit law or rule that allows them to order someone to do something. In this case there is no law that congress has passed saying that Apple or a company needs to decrypt a device therefore the FBI is trying to use the All Writs act as a work around to say "but this is needed for our work Judge so you have to order them to do it".
The biggest problem with the law in general is that it is SOOOO broad, nowadays it is usually used to try and get around electronic countermeasures or other 'new technology' issues.
James Alexander Manager Trust & Safety Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/700071642370691072
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article does look good enough to post now, I think.
On 17 February 2016 at 21:34, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Apple is invoking this 1789 law against an iPhone security request from the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
Yes or no.
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article has grown significantly today
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history
and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on > social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters > myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo). > > Joe > > > On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com > wrote: > >> I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine >> we'll see a spike in traffic to that page >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas < >> vgrigas@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> Per Apple's letter to its customers >>> https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share >>> this on social: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Victor Grigas* >>> Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and >>> Video Content Producer >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> vgrigas@wikimedia.org >>> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Social-media mailing list >>> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Samuel Tarling >> www.samtarling.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Social-media mailing list >> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> >> > > > -- > *Joe Sutherland* > Communications Intern [remote] > joesutherland.rocks | @jrbsu http://twitter.com/jrbsu | +44 (0) > 7722 916 433 > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > >
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That's my fault! I'll draft wording next time.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
James is right, and I've deleted tweet. I can post again later with this wording (or an improvement from group):
The FBI is citing this 1789 law in asking Apple for iPhone security bypass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
I always appreciate someone actually writing a post for this very reason.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, James Alexander <jalexander@wikimedia.org
wrote:
hmmm, sorry didn't see this earlier... While true I think it would have been more correct to say that the government was citing the law against apple in some way but probably a bit late :).
[TLDR for those that don't know the law it is actually very short (and as the date says very old) and basically says: A federal Judge can issue any order necessary in order to enforce the law] while it doesn't contain any explicit "exceptions" the constitution etc are obviously assumed. It is a catchall law for when there is no explicit law or rule that allows them to order someone to do something. In this case there is no law that congress has passed saying that Apple or a company needs to decrypt a device therefore the FBI is trying to use the All Writs act as a work around to say "but this is needed for our work Judge so you have to order them to do it".
The biggest problem with the law in general is that it is SOOOO broad, nowadays it is usually used to try and get around electronic countermeasures or other 'new technology' issues.
James Alexander Manager Trust & Safety Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/700071642370691072
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article does look good enough to post now, I think.
On 17 February 2016 at 21:34, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Apple is invoking this 1789 law against an iPhone security request from the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
Yes or no.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
The article has grown significantly today
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history
and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on > social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters > myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo). > > Joe > > > On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling samtarling6@gmail.com > wrote: > >> I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine >> we'll see a spike in traffic to that page >> >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas < >> vgrigas@wikimedia.org> wrote: >> >>> Per Apple's letter to its customers >>> https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share >>> this on social: >>> >>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act >>> >>> -- >>> >>> *Victor Grigas* >>> Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and >>> Video Content Producer >>> Wikimedia Foundation >>> vgrigas@wikimedia.org >>> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Social-media mailing list >>> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Samuel Tarling >> www.samtarling.co.uk >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Social-media mailing list >> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> >> > > > -- > *Joe Sutherland* > Communications Intern [remote] > joesutherland.rocks | @jrbsu http://twitter.com/jrbsu | +44 (0) > 7722 916 433 > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > >
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Thanks guys. I'll post in a bit.
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On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:47 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
That's my fault! I'll draft wording next time.
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 5:45 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
James is right, and I've deleted tweet. I can post again later with this wording (or an improvement from group):
The FBI is citing this 1789 law in asking Apple for iPhone security bypass. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
I always appreciate someone actually writing a post for this very reason.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 2:32 PM, James Alexander < jalexander@wikimedia.org> wrote:
hmmm, sorry didn't see this earlier... While true I think it would have been more correct to say that the government was citing the law against apple in some way but probably a bit late :).
[TLDR for those that don't know the law it is actually very short (and as the date says very old) and basically says: A federal Judge can issue any order necessary in order to enforce the law] while it doesn't contain any explicit "exceptions" the constitution etc are obviously assumed. It is a catchall law for when there is no explicit law or rule that allows them to order someone to do something. In this case there is no law that congress has passed saying that Apple or a company needs to decrypt a device therefore the FBI is trying to use the All Writs act as a work around to say "but this is needed for our work Judge so you have to order them to do it".
The biggest problem with the law in general is that it is SOOOO broad, nowadays it is usually used to try and get around electronic countermeasures or other 'new technology' issues.
James Alexander Manager Trust & Safety Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:46 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/700071642370691072
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Joe Sutherland < jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:
The article does look good enough to post now, I think.
On 17 February 2016 at 21:34, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Apple is invoking this 1789 law against an iPhone security request from the FBI. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act
Yes or no.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 1:11 PM, Victor Grigas <vgrigas@wikimedia.org > wrote:
> The article has grown significantly today > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=All_Writs_Act&action=history > > and by sharing it on social, it will likely grow further. > > On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 3:56 PM, Joe Sutherland < > jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote: > >> The article kind of sucks to be honest. I'm loathe to promote it on >> social at this point, and I'm not sure how to condense it to 140 characters >> myself (seems like a kind of complicated Act, imo). >> >> Joe >> >> >> On 17 February 2016 at 20:44, Samuel Tarling <samtarling6@gmail.com >> > wrote: >> >>> I agree, first thing I did when I read the news today - I imagine >>> we'll see a spike in traffic to that page >>> >>> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 8:32 PM, Victor Grigas < >>> vgrigas@wikimedia.org> wrote: >>> >>>> Per Apple's letter to its customers >>>> https://www.apple.com/customer-letter/, we might want to share >>>> this on social: >>>> >>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Writs_Act >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Victor Grigas* >>>> Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and >>>> Video Content Producer >>>> Wikimedia Foundation >>>> vgrigas@wikimedia.org >>>> https://donate.wikimedia.org/ >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Social-media mailing list >>>> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Samuel Tarling >>> www.samtarling.co.uk >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Social-media mailing list >>> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> *Joe Sutherland* >> Communications Intern [remote] >> joesutherland.rocks | @jrbsu http://twitter.com/jrbsu | +44 (0) >> 7722 916 433 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Social-media mailing list >> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> >> > > > -- > > *Victor Grigas* > Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and > Video Content Producer > Wikimedia Foundation > vgrigas@wikimedia.org > https://donate.wikimedia.org/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media > >
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