Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki Loves Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
I would really like to post some of the photos on social. Can we get permission from the photographers -- i.e., are the organizers in touch with them? I don't see any of the photos in the public domain, which is what we need unless we have permission.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki Loves Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
If you post a url only, does FB auto- load it?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would really like to post some of the photos on social. Can we get permission from the photographers -- i.e., are the organizers in touch with them? I don't see any of the photos in the public domain, which is what we need unless we have permission.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki Loves Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
@Victor - yes it will! But Jeff is trying to upload directly because (correct me I'm wrong Jeff) Edgerank will rank the post more favorably than just a regular blog Facebook post.
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you post a url only, does FB auto- load it?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would really like to post some of the photos on social. Can we get permission from the photographers -- i.e., are the organizers in touch with them? I don't see any of the photos in the public domain, which is what we need unless we have permission.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki Loves Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
--
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Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Yep, right Michael. A link post does generate an image, and you can choose which image, and it links to the blog -- which is all good.
But you can't post it as a photo, so it's not as big, people can't click to see it larger, and they can't share it as a photo. It also doesn't stay on your page as a photo. So, the leaves photo on Facebook vs. the highlights post right beneath it shows the contrast and engagement.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org wrote:
If you post a url only, does FB auto- load it?
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 3:57 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would really like to post some of the photos on social. Can we get permission from the photographers -- i.e., are the organizers in touch with them? I don't see any of the photos in the public domain, which is what we need unless we have permission.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki Loves Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
--
*Victor Grigas* Storyteller https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/WPZeroPetition and Video Content Producer Wikimedia Foundation vgrigas@wikimedia.org https://donate.wikimedia.org/
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
As an aside, the organizers of another contest told me they explicitly request permission from all contestants to upload their submissions to Facebook, in order to determine winners by voting via "Likes" in FB photo albums: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/02/wiki-tour-chile-photo-contest/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would really like to post some of the photos on social. Can we get permission from the photographers -- i.e., are the organizers in touch with them? I don't see any of the photos in the public domain, which is what we need unless we have permission.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki Loves Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Funny you mention that Tilman.
I was wondering last night if it might be possible to talk to the organizers of WLM/WLE about making that part of the finalist process for next year. So much more visibility for the winners!
mobile. On Oct 16, 2015 3:08 AM, "Tilman Bayer" tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
As an aside, the organizers of another contest told me they explicitly request permission from all contestants to upload their submissions to Facebook, in order to determine winners by voting via "Likes" in FB photo albums: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/02/wiki-tour-chile-photo-contest/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would really like to post some of the photos on social. Can we get permission from the photographers -- i.e., are the organizers in touch
with
them? I don't see any of the photos in the public domain, which is what
we
need unless we have permission.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki
Loves
Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
-- Tilman Bayer Senior Analyst Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
IANAL but instead could the WMF legal folks contact Facebook to ask them to make their terms compatible with CC-BY-SA and CC-BY licenses? I would rather have FB change then ask our users to change permissions. FB would gain commercially from the views of WM content on their site, meaning that FB has a commercial incentive to change that WMF Legal could mention when discussing the situation with FB.
Pine On Oct 16, 2015 12:25 AM, "Katherine Maher" kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Funny you mention that Tilman.
I was wondering last night if it might be possible to talk to the organizers of WLM/WLE about making that part of the finalist process for next year. So much more visibility for the winners!
mobile. On Oct 16, 2015 3:08 AM, "Tilman Bayer" tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
As an aside, the organizers of another contest told me they explicitly request permission from all contestants to upload their submissions to Facebook, in order to determine winners by voting via "Likes" in FB photo albums: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/02/wiki-tour-chile-photo-contest/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would really like to post some of the photos on social. Can we get permission from the photographers -- i.e., are the organizers in touch
with
them? I don't see any of the photos in the public domain, which is what
we
need unless we have permission.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki
Loves
Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
-- Tilman Bayer Senior Analyst Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Hi Pine,
Totally fair question. IANAL either, but we had the same thought and had multiple conversations with the Legal team about this, so we agree with the line of inquiry.
As it stands, WMF has been talking to CC about advocacy to platforms to improve the ability to not only share but reuse CC content on the major social platforms. Unfortunately it's the assessment of the CC and WMF teams that we're extremely unlikely we're see a change in FB's TOU anytime soon. I don't have the exact reasons in front of me, so I'd suggest asking Stephen if you're interested in the specifics, but if I recall correctly it's a combination of considerations around FB's 'right' to use images uploaded to their platform plus liability considerations around reuse.
For the time being, we're stuck asking for permissions on a case-by-case basis from community. And while it's not ideal, between not sharing and sharing, I come down on the side of sharing - we have passionate social followers, and these amazing images are another means and opportunity to engage them in the full scope of free knowledge/culture.
Katherine
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 3:54 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
IANAL but instead could the WMF legal folks contact Facebook to ask them to make their terms compatible with CC-BY-SA and CC-BY licenses? I would rather have FB change then ask our users to change permissions. FB would gain commercially from the views of WM content on their site, meaning that FB has a commercial incentive to change that WMF Legal could mention when discussing the situation with FB.
Pine On Oct 16, 2015 12:25 AM, "Katherine Maher" kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Funny you mention that Tilman.
I was wondering last night if it might be possible to talk to the organizers of WLM/WLE about making that part of the finalist process for next year. So much more visibility for the winners!
mobile. On Oct 16, 2015 3:08 AM, "Tilman Bayer" tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
As an aside, the organizers of another contest told me they explicitly request permission from all contestants to upload their submissions to Facebook, in order to determine winners by voting via "Likes" in FB photo albums: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/02/wiki-tour-chile-photo-contest/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would really like to post some of the photos on social. Can we get permission from the photographers -- i.e., are the organizers in touch
with
them? I don't see any of the photos in the public domain, which is
what we
need unless we have permission.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki
Loves
Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
-- Tilman Bayer Senior Analyst Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
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While I agree with you Pine I know that this is something that has been discussed with FB in the past. While that doesn't mean it isn't something we could look at again (there are many more staff members in both comms and legal now) it was very clear that it is significantly more complicated then you might think and even if we were able to do it I would expect it to be a very long and drawn out process (think no less then a year). In the end it would require an enormous amount of coordination in almost everything they do as there are a lot of assumptions built in and may well just not be very possible given the huge breath of reach and interconnectiveness (not sure that's a word) that their services have now. Pinterest, on the other hand, was significantly more interested including with building in automatic attribution for any commons works with the biggest blocker being structured data (scraping templates is... not very good at all) which I know we've gotten a lot better at! though there is probably still work to be done.
tldr: For now the only legitimate option is going to be to ask users to duel license/give permission or use PD work (or of course work the WMF owns).
James Alexander Manager Trust & Safety Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 12:54 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
IANAL but instead could the WMF legal folks contact Facebook to ask them to make their terms compatible with CC-BY-SA and CC-BY licenses? I would rather have FB change then ask our users to change permissions. FB would gain commercially from the views of WM content on their site, meaning that FB has a commercial incentive to change that WMF Legal could mention when discussing the situation with FB.
Pine On Oct 16, 2015 12:25 AM, "Katherine Maher" kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Funny you mention that Tilman.
I was wondering last night if it might be possible to talk to the organizers of WLM/WLE about making that part of the finalist process for next year. So much more visibility for the winners!
mobile. On Oct 16, 2015 3:08 AM, "Tilman Bayer" tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
As an aside, the organizers of another contest told me they explicitly request permission from all contestants to upload their submissions to Facebook, in order to determine winners by voting via "Likes" in FB photo albums: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2014/06/02/wiki-tour-chile-photo-contest/
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:57 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
I would really like to post some of the photos on social. Can we get permission from the photographers -- i.e., are the organizers in touch
with
them? I don't see any of the photos in the public domain, which is
what we
need unless we have permission.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Hi all,
We've just published "See the stunning winning photographs from Wiki
Loves
Earth 2015" to the blog: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/10/15/wiki-loves-earth-winners/
Thanks to Vira for the post.
Proposed social media messages:
The top five images come from three continents and five countries. You can't miss <insert favorite image here>. Have you ever seen a bee being born?
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
-- Tilman Bayer Senior Analyst Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
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Thanks all.
I am guessing that most our social followers support Wikimedia content and the Wikimedia platform. So:
1. Would a petition to FB from thousands of followers make a difference?
2. I am thinking that well designed, short social posts that excite our followers into clicking links to content on our platform might be sufficient for our goals. Thoughts? This ties in with Luis' comment about closed web versus open web; FB gains from closed web, and we gain from open web, so strategically I think that we would want to encourage our followers to venture out to the open web and onto our platform.
Pine
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks all.
I am guessing that most our social followers support Wikimedia content and the Wikimedia platform. So:
- Would a petition to FB from thousands of followers make a difference?
Maybe, but that's a campaign we'd want to design with allied organizations for maximum impact, which requires coordination and resourcing not currently in the Annual Plan. So, per James, that's a 12-18mo goal.
- I am thinking that well designed, short social posts that excite our
followers into clicking links to content on our platform might be sufficient for our goals. Thoughts? This ties in with Luis' comment about closed web versus open web; FB gains from closed web, and we gain from open web, so strategically I think that we would want to encourage our followers to venture out to the open web and onto our platform.
We should always strive for well designed, short social posts that excite our followers! Especially in a way that supports the open web. But sub-optimally rendered images don't quite get us there (and right now, there's no current roadmap in the product teams for better social platform rendering/performance for Commons images). Lessons learned from highly visual accounts (NASA, US Dept. of Interior) suggest any intermediation of the image is an immediate loss factor. I don't want to speak for Jeff, whose remit this all is, but between total closed-web capitulation and idealism, I settle into the slightly less exciting groove of pragmatism on what we can do with what we have.
Pine
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
Hi all,
We have translations for this post in Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, German, Macedonian, Spanish, Swedish, Portuguese, and Ukrainian (plus Brazilian Portuguese is missing only one caption). Would it be worthwhile to post links on Facebook and geotarget, using the second sentence as a tagline? I'm not sure how many fans we have in each language.
--Ed
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks all.
I am guessing that most our social followers support Wikimedia content and the Wikimedia platform. So:
- Would a petition to FB from thousands of followers make a difference?
Maybe, but that's a campaign we'd want to design with allied organizations for maximum impact, which requires coordination and resourcing not currently in the Annual Plan. So, per James, that's a 12-18mo goal.
- I am thinking that well designed, short social posts that excite our
followers into clicking links to content on our platform might be sufficient for our goals. Thoughts? This ties in with Luis' comment about closed web versus open web; FB gains from closed web, and we gain from open web, so strategically I think that we would want to encourage our followers to venture out to the open web and onto our platform.
We should always strive for well designed, short social posts that excite our followers! Especially in a way that supports the open web. But sub-optimally rendered images don't quite get us there (and right now, there's no current roadmap in the product teams for better social platform rendering/performance for Commons images). Lessons learned from highly visual accounts (NASA, US Dept. of Interior) suggest any intermediation of the image is an immediate loss factor. I don't want to speak for Jeff, whose remit this all is, but between total closed-web capitulation and idealism, I settle into the slightly less exciting groove of pragmatism on what we can do with what we have.
Pine
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-- Katherine Maher Chief Communications Officer Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street San Francisco, CA 94105
+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 +1 (415) 712 4873 kmaher@wikimedia.org
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If we want to prioritize languages by audience size,
I'd say at least Spanish. Here's the current list of most popular language interfaces of our followers.
[image: Inline image 1]
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We have translations for this post in Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, German, Macedonian, Spanish, Swedish, Portuguese, and Ukrainian (plus Brazilian Portuguese is missing only one caption). Would it be worthwhile to post links on Facebook and geotarget, using the second sentence as a tagline? I'm not sure how many fans we have in each language.
--Ed
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks all.
I am guessing that most our social followers support Wikimedia content and the Wikimedia platform. So:
- Would a petition to FB from thousands of followers make a difference?
Maybe, but that's a campaign we'd want to design with allied organizations for maximum impact, which requires coordination and resourcing not currently in the Annual Plan. So, per James, that's a 12-18mo goal.
- I am thinking that well designed, short social posts that excite our
followers into clicking links to content on our platform might be sufficient for our goals. Thoughts? This ties in with Luis' comment about closed web versus open web; FB gains from closed web, and we gain from open web, so strategically I think that we would want to encourage our followers to venture out to the open web and onto our platform.
We should always strive for well designed, short social posts that excite our followers! Especially in a way that supports the open web. But sub-optimally rendered images don't quite get us there (and right now, there's no current roadmap in the product teams for better social platform rendering/performance for Commons images). Lessons learned from highly visual accounts (NASA, US Dept. of Interior) suggest any intermediation of the image is an immediate loss factor. I don't want to speak for Jeff, whose remit this all is, but between total closed-web capitulation and idealism, I settle into the slightly less exciting groove of pragmatism on what we can do with what we have.
Pine
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
-- Katherine Maher Chief Communications Officer Wikimedia Foundation 149 New Montgomery Street San Francisco, CA 94105
+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 +1 (415) 712 4873 kmaher@wikimedia.org
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
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Thanks for the list. Can we do French http://blog.wikimedia.org/fr/2015/10/19/decouvrez-les-photographies-propres-a-vous-couper-le-souffle-qui-remportent-le-concours-wiki-loves-earth-2015/, Brazilian Portuguese http://blog.wikimedia.org/pt-br/2015/10/19/veja-as-belissimas-fotografias-vencedoras-do-wiki-loves-earth-2015/, and Spanish https://blog.wikimedia.org/es/2015/10/16/mira-las-asombrosas-fotografias-ganadoras-del-concurso-wiki-loves-earth-2015? We also have Polish and German, but those are going to yield much smaller returns.
--Ed
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
If we want to prioritize languages by audience size,
I'd say at least Spanish. Here's the current list of most popular language interfaces of our followers.
[image: Inline image 1]
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We have translations for this post in Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, German, Macedonian, Spanish, Swedish, Portuguese, and Ukrainian (plus Brazilian Portuguese is missing only one caption). Would it be worthwhile to post links on Facebook and geotarget, using the second sentence as a tagline? I'm not sure how many fans we have in each language.
--Ed
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks all.
I am guessing that most our social followers support Wikimedia content and the Wikimedia platform. So:
- Would a petition to FB from thousands of followers make a difference?
Maybe, but that's a campaign we'd want to design with allied organizations for maximum impact, which requires coordination and resourcing not currently in the Annual Plan. So, per James, that's a 12-18mo goal.
- I am thinking that well designed, short social posts that excite our
followers into clicking links to content on our platform might be sufficient for our goals. Thoughts? This ties in with Luis' comment about closed web versus open web; FB gains from closed web, and we gain from open web, so strategically I think that we would want to encourage our followers to venture out to the open web and onto our platform.
We should always strive for well designed, short social posts that excite our followers! Especially in a way that supports the open web. But sub-optimally rendered images don't quite get us there (and right now, there's no current roadmap in the product teams for better social platform rendering/performance for Commons images). Lessons learned from highly visual accounts (NASA, US Dept. of Interior) suggest any intermediation of the image is an immediate loss factor. I don't want to speak for Jeff, whose remit this all is, but between total closed-web capitulation and idealism, I settle into the slightly less exciting groove of pragmatism on what we can do with what we have.
Pine
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Yeah sure thing!
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for the list. Can we do French http://blog.wikimedia.org/fr/2015/10/19/decouvrez-les-photographies-propres-a-vous-couper-le-souffle-qui-remportent-le-concours-wiki-loves-earth-2015/, Brazilian Portuguese http://blog.wikimedia.org/pt-br/2015/10/19/veja-as-belissimas-fotografias-vencedoras-do-wiki-loves-earth-2015/, and Spanish https://blog.wikimedia.org/es/2015/10/16/mira-las-asombrosas-fotografias-ganadoras-del-concurso-wiki-loves-earth-2015? We also have Polish and German, but those are going to yield much smaller returns.
--Ed
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
If we want to prioritize languages by audience size,
I'd say at least Spanish. Here's the current list of most popular language interfaces of our followers.
[image: Inline image 1]
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We have translations for this post in Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, German, Macedonian, Spanish, Swedish, Portuguese, and Ukrainian (plus Brazilian Portuguese is missing only one caption). Would it be worthwhile to post links on Facebook and geotarget, using the second sentence as a tagline? I'm not sure how many fans we have in each language.
--Ed
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks all.
I am guessing that most our social followers support Wikimedia content and the Wikimedia platform. So:
- Would a petition to FB from thousands of followers make a
difference?
Maybe, but that's a campaign we'd want to design with allied organizations for maximum impact, which requires coordination and resourcing not currently in the Annual Plan. So, per James, that's a 12-18mo goal.
- I am thinking that well designed, short social posts that excite
our followers into clicking links to content on our platform might be sufficient for our goals. Thoughts? This ties in with Luis' comment about closed web versus open web; FB gains from closed web, and we gain from open web, so strategically I think that we would want to encourage our followers to venture out to the open web and onto our platform.
We should always strive for well designed, short social posts that excite our followers! Especially in a way that supports the open web. But sub-optimally rendered images don't quite get us there (and right now, there's no current roadmap in the product teams for better social platform rendering/performance for Commons images). Lessons learned from highly visual accounts (NASA, US Dept. of Interior) suggest any intermediation of the image is an immediate loss factor. I don't want to speak for Jeff, whose remit this all is, but between total closed-web capitulation and idealism, I settle into the slightly less exciting groove of pragmatism on what we can do with what we have.
Pine
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Thought: the smaller languages could be scheduled for over Christmas when most people are out of the office. It would be nice to engage those followers, if only because we probably never will otherwise, but you and Jeff are the experts. :-)
--Ed
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
Yeah sure thing!
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 4:23 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for the list. Can we do French http://blog.wikimedia.org/fr/2015/10/19/decouvrez-les-photographies-propres-a-vous-couper-le-souffle-qui-remportent-le-concours-wiki-loves-earth-2015/, Brazilian Portuguese http://blog.wikimedia.org/pt-br/2015/10/19/veja-as-belissimas-fotografias-vencedoras-do-wiki-loves-earth-2015/, and Spanish https://blog.wikimedia.org/es/2015/10/16/mira-las-asombrosas-fotografias-ganadoras-del-concurso-wiki-loves-earth-2015? We also have Polish and German, but those are going to yield much smaller returns.
--Ed
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015 at 1:49 PM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
If we want to prioritize languages by audience size,
I'd say at least Spanish. Here's the current list of most popular language interfaces of our followers.
[image: Inline image 1]
On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 8:51 PM, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi all,
We have translations for this post in Bulgarian, Czech, Danish, German, Macedonian, Spanish, Swedish, Portuguese, and Ukrainian (plus Brazilian Portuguese is missing only one caption). Would it be worthwhile to post links on Facebook and geotarget, using the second sentence as a tagline? I'm not sure how many fans we have in each language.
--Ed
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 4:34 AM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
On Fri, Oct 16, 2015 at 10:27 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Thanks all.
I am guessing that most our social followers support Wikimedia content and the Wikimedia platform. So:
- Would a petition to FB from thousands of followers make a
difference?
Maybe, but that's a campaign we'd want to design with allied organizations for maximum impact, which requires coordination and resourcing not currently in the Annual Plan. So, per James, that's a 12-18mo goal.
- I am thinking that well designed, short social posts that excite
our followers into clicking links to content on our platform might be sufficient for our goals. Thoughts? This ties in with Luis' comment about closed web versus open web; FB gains from closed web, and we gain from open web, so strategically I think that we would want to encourage our followers to venture out to the open web and onto our platform.
We should always strive for well designed, short social posts that excite our followers! Especially in a way that supports the open web. But sub-optimally rendered images don't quite get us there (and right now, there's no current roadmap in the product teams for better social platform rendering/performance for Commons images). Lessons learned from highly visual accounts (NASA, US Dept. of Interior) suggest any intermediation of the image is an immediate loss factor. I don't want to speak for Jeff, whose remit this all is, but between total closed-web capitulation and idealism, I settle into the slightly less exciting groove of pragmatism on what we can do with what we have.
Pine
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+1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635 +1 (415) 712 4873 kmaher@wikimedia.org
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
Social-media mailing list Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media
-- Michael Guss Research Analyst Wikimediafoundation.org mguss@wikimedia.org
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-- Ed Erhart Editorial Associate Wikimedia Foundation
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