Hi guys,
I know we don't generally publish blog posts about Wikimedia project anniversaries, but what's our opinion on running social for these?
For example, here's one for eswiki: https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/601097661505212416
I think within reason this would be a cool thing to do more regularly, and would add something to our SM repertoire as well.
best, Joe
I'm fine with commemorating them on social (although not *all* of them, if we can help it)!
--Ed
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi guys,
I know we don't generally publish blog posts about Wikimedia project anniversaries, but what's our opinion on running social for these?
For example, here's one for eswiki: https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/601097661505212416
I think within reason this would be a cool thing to do more regularly, and would add something to our SM repertoire as well.
best, Joe
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I've already encoutered an issue - it turns out it's really, really hard to work out when these anniversaries actually are! There's no table on meta with them all listed as one might expect.
Joe
On 6 July 2015 at 13:47, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
I'm fine with commemorating them on social (although not *all* of them, if we can help it)!
--Ed
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 3:17 PM, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi guys,
I know we don't generally publish blog posts about Wikimedia project anniversaries, but what's our opinion on running social for these?
For example, here's one for eswiki: https://twitter.com/Wikipedia/status/601097661505212416
I think within reason this would be a cool thing to do more regularly, and would add something to our SM repertoire as well.
best, Joe
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Hi,
Le lundi 6 juillet 2015, 15:38:18 Joe Sutherland a écrit :
I've already encoutered an issue - it turns out it's really, really hard to work out when these anniversaries actually are! There's no table on meta with them all listed as one might expect.
It would be relatively easy to write a database query and get the timestamp of the earliest revision for each wiki (which I assume would be the creation of each wiki's Main Page). I might give it a go later.
It's kind of odd that there's no list anywhere already; I can't be the first person to ask this! But that would be much appreciated Guillaume :)
Joe
On 6 July 2015 at 15:48, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi,
Le lundi 6 juillet 2015, 15:38:18 Joe Sutherland a écrit :
I've already encoutered an issue - it turns out it's really, really hard
to
work out when these anniversaries actually are! There's no table on meta with them all listed as one might expect.
It would be relatively easy to write a database query and get the timestamp of the earliest revision for each wiki (which I assume would be the creation of each wiki's Main Page). I might give it a go later.
-- Guillaume Paumier
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Le lundi 6 juillet 2015, 15:50:21 Joe Sutherland a écrit :
It's kind of odd that there's no list anywhere already; I can't be the first person to ask this! But that would be much appreciated Guillaume :)
So, I've got a preliminary list, but it looks like we might need to find a better way of identifying the creation date than the earliest timestamp, because it gives some weird results: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P895
Here's an excerpt from the top of the list:
19700101000000: zhwikisource 20010115000000: arwiki 20010116200833: enwiki 20010116200833: nostalgiawiki 20010223175216: enwikibooks 20010308131402: elwiki 20010317014148: cawiki 20010402182741: dewiki
BUT: * zhwikisource wasn't created in 1970 (or we've been lied to for a long time). * arwiki wasn't created before enwiki, and enwikibooks and elwiki weren't created before cawiki. * nostalgia wiki has exactly the same earliest timestamp as enwiki? Suspicious. * Some wikis don't return an earliest timestamp at all (?!), see bottom of the list.
So there definitely are oddities; they're probably due to errors with timestamps, or servers losing time, etc. (see https://www.facebook.com/gpaumier/posts/10154157729588475 for a similar issue I recently discovered, and that Tim helped resolve). Therefore, revision timestamps are probably not a reliable way to determine the creation date of a wiki.
As a wikiarchaeologist, I do find this kind of stuff incredibly interesting, though, so I'll look into it further during my Copious Free Time™, but likely after Wikimania. (I like the fact that I seem to have inadvertently discovered a way to identify all edits across wikis with an aberrant timestamp!)
You might be interested in talking with Graham87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Graham87, who's done a lot of work with importing old edits from nostalgia.wiki.
--Ed
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Guillaume Paumier gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote:
Le lundi 6 juillet 2015, 15:50:21 Joe Sutherland a écrit :
It's kind of odd that there's no list anywhere already; I can't be the first person to ask this! But that would be much appreciated Guillaume :)
So, I've got a preliminary list, but it looks like we might need to find a better way of identifying the creation date than the earliest timestamp, because it gives some weird results: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P895
Here's an excerpt from the top of the list:
19700101000000: zhwikisource 20010115000000: arwiki 20010116200833: enwiki 20010116200833: nostalgiawiki 20010223175216: enwikibooks 20010308131402: elwiki 20010317014148: cawiki 20010402182741: dewiki
BUT:
- zhwikisource wasn't created in 1970 (or we've been lied to for a long
time).
- arwiki wasn't created before enwiki, and enwikibooks and elwiki weren't
created before cawiki.
- nostalgia wiki has exactly the same earliest timestamp as enwiki?
Suspicious.
- Some wikis don't return an earliest timestamp at all (?!), see bottom of
the list.
So there definitely are oddities; they're probably due to errors with timestamps, or servers losing time, etc. (see https://www.facebook.com/gpaumier/posts/10154157729588475 for a similar issue I recently discovered, and that Tim helped resolve). Therefore, revision timestamps are probably not a reliable way to determine the creation date of a wiki.
As a wikiarchaeologist, I do find this kind of stuff incredibly interesting, though, so I'll look into it further during my Copious Free Time™, but likely after Wikimania. (I like the fact that I seem to have inadvertently discovered a way to identify all edits across wikis with an aberrant timestamp!)
-- Guillaume Paumier
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Thanks for this Guillaume! It's not as easy as one would imagine...
Joe
On 6 July 2015 at 21:30, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
You might be interested in talking with Graham87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Graham87, who's done a lot of work with importing old edits from nostalgia.wiki.
--Ed
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Guillaume Paumier <gpaumier@wikimedia.org
wrote:
Le lundi 6 juillet 2015, 15:50:21 Joe Sutherland a écrit :
It's kind of odd that there's no list anywhere already; I can't be the first person to ask this! But that would be much appreciated Guillaume
:)
So, I've got a preliminary list, but it looks like we might need to find a better way of identifying the creation date than the earliest timestamp, because it gives some weird results: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P895
Here's an excerpt from the top of the list:
19700101000000: zhwikisource 20010115000000: arwiki 20010116200833: enwiki 20010116200833: nostalgiawiki 20010223175216: enwikibooks 20010308131402: elwiki 20010317014148: cawiki 20010402182741: dewiki
BUT:
- zhwikisource wasn't created in 1970 (or we've been lied to for a long
time).
- arwiki wasn't created before enwiki, and enwikibooks and elwiki weren't
created before cawiki.
- nostalgia wiki has exactly the same earliest timestamp as enwiki?
Suspicious.
- Some wikis don't return an earliest timestamp at all (?!), see bottom
of the list.
So there definitely are oddities; they're probably due to errors with timestamps, or servers losing time, etc. (see https://www.facebook.com/gpaumier/posts/10154157729588475 for a similar issue I recently discovered, and that Tim helped resolve). Therefore, revision timestamps are probably not a reliable way to determine the creation date of a wiki.
As a wikiarchaeologist, I do find this kind of stuff incredibly interesting, though, so I'll look into it further during my Copious Free Time™, but likely after Wikimania. (I like the fact that I seem to have inadvertently discovered a way to identify all edits across wikis with an aberrant timestamp!)
-- Guillaume Paumier
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I know that the first article on Ar Wiki was "water" which was created on July 11, 2003 https://ar.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%A1&dir=prev&action=history and this is the date on which the community celebrates Ar wiki anniversary every year. I asked about that edit on 2001 earlier and found that it's an error in timestamp as Guillaume has mentioned. I believe that the automatic way is not the best way to get accurate dates. It would be better if we create a page on meta and ask community on different wikis to contribute to it. Maybe we can ask them on Wikimedia-l?
On Tue, Jul 7, 2015 at 6:33 AM, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
Thanks for this Guillaume! It's not as easy as one would imagine...
Joe
On 6 July 2015 at 21:30, Ed Erhart eerhart@wikimedia.org wrote:
You might be interested in talking with Graham87 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Graham87, who's done a lot of work with importing old edits from nostalgia.wiki.
--Ed
On Mon, Jul 6, 2015 at 11:04 PM, Guillaume Paumier < gpaumier@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Le lundi 6 juillet 2015, 15:50:21 Joe Sutherland a écrit :
It's kind of odd that there's no list anywhere already; I can't be the first person to ask this! But that would be much appreciated Guillaume
:)
So, I've got a preliminary list, but it looks like we might need to find a better way of identifying the creation date than the earliest timestamp, because it gives some weird results: https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/P895
Here's an excerpt from the top of the list:
19700101000000: zhwikisource 20010115000000: arwiki 20010116200833: enwiki 20010116200833: nostalgiawiki 20010223175216: enwikibooks 20010308131402: elwiki 20010317014148: cawiki 20010402182741: dewiki
BUT:
- zhwikisource wasn't created in 1970 (or we've been lied to for a long
time).
- arwiki wasn't created before enwiki, and enwikibooks and elwiki weren't
created before cawiki.
- nostalgia wiki has exactly the same earliest timestamp as enwiki?
Suspicious.
- Some wikis don't return an earliest timestamp at all (?!), see bottom
of the list.
So there definitely are oddities; they're probably due to errors with timestamps, or servers losing time, etc. (see https://www.facebook.com/gpaumier/posts/10154157729588475 for a similar issue I recently discovered, and that Tim helped resolve). Therefore, revision timestamps are probably not a reliable way to determine the creation date of a wiki.
As a wikiarchaeologist, I do find this kind of stuff incredibly interesting, though, so I'll look into it further during my Copious Free Time™, but likely after Wikimania. (I like the fact that I seem to have inadvertently discovered a way to identify all edits across wikis with an aberrant timestamp!)
-- Guillaume Paumier
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