Hi everyone,
Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
Thoughts?
Jump in there with this?
When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who gave him a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
Thoughts?
-- Michael Guss Research Analyst Wikimediafoundation.org mguss@wikimedia.org
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I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)?
J
On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jump in there with this?
When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who gave him a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss <mguss@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mguss@wikimedia.org');> wrote:
Hi everyone,
Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
Thoughts?
-- Michael Guss Research Analyst Wikimediafoundation.org mguss@wikimedia.org javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mguss@wikimedia.org');
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You're right! Will dehyphenate and post
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)?
J
On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jump in there with this?
When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who gave him a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
Thoughts?
-- Michael Guss Research Analyst Wikimediafoundation.org mguss@wikimedia.org
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I'll just say this - Apple isn't exactly an open-source company. Is that an issue?
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're right! Will dehyphenate and post
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)?
J
On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jump in there with this?
When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who gave him a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
Thoughts?
-- Michael Guss Research Analyst Wikimediafoundation.org mguss@wikimedia.org
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I have the same feeling than Victor. Jobs represented a company with some opposed values to our movement perhaps a lot of wikimedians are AppleFans :P
2015-10-05 13:59 GMT-05:00 Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org:
I'll just say this - Apple isn't exactly an open-source company. Is that an issue?
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're right! Will dehyphenate and post
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland <
jsutherland@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)?
J
On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jump in there with this?
When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who gave
him
a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
Thoughts?
-- Michael Guss Research Analyst Wikimediafoundation.org mguss@wikimedia.org
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If we're posting links to our content, I think we're on solid ground. People can have all sorts of feelings about Apple and Jobs and still want to know the facts about him.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
I have the same feeling than Victor. Jobs represented a company with some opposed values to our movement perhaps a lot of wikimedians are AppleFans :P
2015-10-05 13:59 GMT-05:00 Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org:
I'll just say this - Apple isn't exactly an open-source company. Is that an issue?
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're right! Will dehyphenate and post
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland <
jsutherland@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)?
J
On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jump in there with this?
When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who gave
him
a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote:
Hi everyone,
Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
Thoughts?
-- Michael Guss Research Analyst Wikimediafoundation.org mguss@wikimedia.org
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Well, but we still made a value decision in choosing to highlight a positive fact from his bio that portrays him in a certain light, rather than something about his downsides. I think the man deserves respect, and of course there is a ton of things to learn from Apple's success, but in several ways the values he stands for are indeed diametrically opposed to Wikipedia's.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
If we're posting links to our content, I think we're on solid ground. People can have all sorts of feelings about Apple and Jobs and still want to know the facts about him.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
I have the same feeling than Victor. Jobs represented a company with some opposed values to our movement perhaps a lot of wikimedians are AppleFans :P
2015-10-05 13:59 GMT-05:00 Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org:
I'll just say this - Apple isn't exactly an open-source company. Is that an issue?
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're right! Will dehyphenate and post
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland <
jsutherland@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)?
J
On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
Jump in there with this?
When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who gave
him
a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as > well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs > > Thoughts? > > -- > Michael Guss > Research Analyst > Wikimediafoundation.org > mguss@wikimedia.org > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >
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I think it'd look pretty petty if we were to post something negative about the man. I'm under the impression that it's best to err on the side of being positive/nice unless the person we're posting about is objectively a bad person.
Joe
On 7 October 2015 at 08:32, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
Well, but we still made a value decision in choosing to highlight a positive fact from his bio that portrays him in a certain light, rather than something about his downsides. I think the man deserves respect, and of course there is a ton of things to learn from Apple's success, but in several ways the values he stands for are indeed diametrically opposed to Wikipedia's.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
If we're posting links to our content, I think we're on solid ground. People can have all sorts of feelings about Apple and Jobs and still want to know the facts about him.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
I have the same feeling than Victor. Jobs represented a company with some opposed values to our movement perhaps a lot of wikimedians are AppleFans :P
2015-10-05 13:59 GMT-05:00 Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org:
I'll just say this - Apple isn't exactly an open-source company. Is that an issue?
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're right! Will dehyphenate and post
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland <
jsutherland@wikimedia.org>
wrote:
I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)?
J
On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote: > > Jump in there with this? > > When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who
gave him
> a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs > > > > Jeff Elder > Digital communications manager > Wikimedia Foundation > 704-650-4130 > @jeffelder > @wikipedia > The Wikimedia blog > > On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org > wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as >> well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs >> >> Thoughts? >> >> -- >> Michael Guss >> Research Analyst >> Wikimediafoundation.org >> mguss@wikimedia.org >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Social-media mailing list >> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> >
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And honestly unless we're commemorating a famous bank robbery or something posting anything along those lines would make me a whole lot more uncomfortable. In the end I think it is totally fine to respect and celebrate people from all walks including Jobs and I'm happy to see us do this more.
The good and the great the capitalist, communist, libertarian or republican and everything in between, above or below: Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects document them all and I think we can advertise that fact while staying well within our movement mission and values. Almost every great person (or for that matter many great events) has both good and bad whether they be Jobs, Gates, Bush or Stallman (who I'd honestly argue is at least as bad to tweet about for us as jobs but would support). I don't think this post is anywhere close to the line.
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On Oct 7, 2015, at 04:06, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think it'd look pretty petty if we were to post something negative about the man. I'm under the impression that it's best to err on the side of being positive/nice unless the person we're posting about is objectively a bad person.
Joe
On 7 October 2015 at 08:32, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote: Well, but we still made a value decision in choosing to highlight a positive fact from his bio that portrays him in a certain light, rather than something about his downsides. I think the man deserves respect, and of course there is a ton of things to learn from Apple's success, but in several ways the values he stands for are indeed diametrically opposed to Wikipedia's.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote: If we're posting links to our content, I think we're on solid ground. People can have all sorts of feelings about Apple and Jobs and still want to know the facts about him.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote: I have the same feeling than Victor. Jobs represented a company with some opposed values to our movement perhaps a lot of wikimedians are AppleFans :P
2015-10-05 13:59 GMT-05:00 Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org:
I'll just say this - Apple isn't exactly an open-source company. Is that an issue?
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're right! Will dehyphenate and post
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote: > > I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)? > > J > > > On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote: >> >> Jump in there with this? >> >> When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who gave him >> a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs >> >> >> >> Jeff Elder >> Digital communications manager >> Wikimedia Foundation >> 704-650-4130 >> @jeffelder >> @wikipedia >> The Wikimedia blog >> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss mguss@wikimedia.org >> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as >>> well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Guss >>> Research Analyst >>> Wikimediafoundation.org >>> mguss@wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Social-media mailing list >>> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>> >> > > > -- > Sent from a device with a small keyboard with big fingers :) > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:38 AM, James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote:
And honestly unless we're commemorating a famous bank robbery or something posting anything along those lines would make me a whole lot more uncomfortable.
Oh, I certainly agree with Joe and you that we shouldn't start tweeting negative facts about people. That wasn't the suggestion, rather that for controversial topics, @wikipedia should not join the fray (on one of the sides) at all. Or if we do, it should be consciously, on purpose and based on our values - say when we tweet about the NSA lawsuit.
In the end I think it is totally fine to respect and celebrate people from all walks including Jobs and I'm happy to see us do this more.
Well, I hope @wikipedia will stay out of "celebrating" candidates in ongoing political elections, for example. Even if we could surely get lots of RTs and attention out of it ;)
The good and the great the capitalist, communist, libertarian or republican and everything in between, above or below: Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects document them all and I think we can advertise that fact while staying well within our movement mission and values.
Agree, that universal coverage is a great fact to advertise about WP. Not sure a single fact about a single person expresses it fully, though.
Almost every great person (or for that matter many great events) has both good and bad whether they be Jobs, Gates, Bush or Stallman (who I'd honestly argue is at least as bad to tweet about for us as jobs but would support). I don't think this post is anywhere close to the line.
OK, while I agreed with Ivan's and Victor's concerns and wouldn't have sent that tweet myself, we can surely move on on this. What's worth discussion thouhg is the general assumption (which my initial post was a response to) that simply because we link to Wikipedia and highlight a fact from it, we are automatically in the clear. As demonstrated abundantly in the past in the case of certain Mediterranean topics, the general public and large parts of our community don't agree ;)
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On Oct 7, 2015, at 04:06, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think it'd look pretty petty if we were to post something negative about the man. I'm under the impression that it's best to err on the side of being positive/nice unless the person we're posting about is objectively a bad person.
Joe
On 7 October 2015 at 08:32, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
Well, but we still made a value decision in choosing to highlight a positive fact from his bio that portrays him in a certain light, rather than something about his downsides. I think the man deserves respect, and of course there is a ton of things to learn from Apple's success, but in several ways the values he stands for are indeed diametrically opposed to Wikipedia's.
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
If we're posting links to our content, I think we're on solid ground. People can have all sorts of feelings about Apple and Jobs and still want to know the facts about him.
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder https://twitter.com/JeffElder @wikipedia https://twitter.com/wikipedia The Wikimedia blog https://blog.wikimedia.org/
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
I have the same feeling than Victor. Jobs represented a company with some opposed values to our movement perhaps a lot of wikimedians are AppleFans :P
2015-10-05 13:59 GMT-05:00 Victor Grigas vgrigas@wikimedia.org:
I'll just say this - Apple isn't exactly an open-source company. Is that an issue?
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote:
You're right! Will dehyphenate and post
Jeff Elder Digital communications manager Wikimedia Foundation 704-650-4130 @jeffelder @wikipedia The Wikimedia blog
On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland <
jsutherland@wikimedia.org>
wrote: > > I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)? > > J > > > On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder jelder@wikimedia.org wrote: >> >> Jump in there with this? >> >> When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who
gave him
>> a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs >> >> >> >> Jeff Elder >> Digital communications manager >> Wikimedia Foundation >> 704-650-4130 >> @jeffelder >> @wikipedia >> The Wikimedia blog >> >> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss <mguss@wikimedia.org
>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does
as
>>> well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs >>> >>> Thoughts? >>> >>> -- >>> Michael Guss >>> Research Analyst >>> Wikimediafoundation.org http://wikimediafoundation.org >>> mguss@wikimedia.org >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Social-media mailing list >>> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >>> >> > > > -- > Sent from a device with a small keyboard with big fingers :) > > _______________________________________________ > Social-media mailing list > Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >
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On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
What's worth discussion thouhg is the general assumption (which my initial post was a response to) that simply because we link to Wikipedia and highlight a fact from it, we are automatically in the clear. As demonstrated abundantly in the past in the case of certain Mediterranean topics, the general public and large parts of our community don't agree ;)
Agree, it's more complicated then that :)
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I think we are not a "stallmanian" movement but many of our people it is. I'm just pointing that some criticize can raise.
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2015-10-07 15:30 GMT-05:00 James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org:
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
What's worth discussion thouhg is the general assumption (which my initial post was a response to) that simply because we link to Wikipedia and highlight a fact from it, we are automatically in the clear. As demonstrated abundantly in the past in the case of certain Mediterranean topics, the general public and large parts of our community don't agree ;)
Agree, it's more complicated then that :)
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Looks like no one objected.
I think that there's a difference between Wikimedia tweeting about Jobs and Wikipedia. I genuinely appreciate the discussion and grounding in our values - they're important! they attenuate if we don't affirm them - but I don't see a problem here. Our mission is all knowledge, and we want to reach every human. Some of those humans will be from the cult of Mac. That's okay.
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:39 PM, Ivan Martínez galaver@gmail.com wrote:
I think we are not a "stallmanian" movement but many of our people it is. I'm just pointing that some criticize can raise.
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2015-10-07 15:30 GMT-05:00 James Alexander jalexander@wikimedia.org:
On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
What's worth discussion thouhg is the general assumption (which my initial post was a response to) that simply because we link to Wikipedia and highlight a fact from it, we are automatically in the clear. As demonstrated abundantly in the past in the case of certain Mediterranean topics, the general public and large parts of our community don't agree ;)
Agree, it's more complicated then that :)
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