On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 4:38 AM, James Alexander <jalexander@wikimedia.org> wrote:
And honestly unless we're commemorating a famous bank robbery or something posting anything along those lines would make me a whole lot more uncomfortable.
Oh, I certainly agree with Joe and you that we shouldn't start tweeting negative facts about people. That wasn't the suggestion, rather that for controversial topics, @wikipedia should not join the fray (on one of the sides) at all. Or if we do, it should be consciously, on purpose and based on our values - say when we tweet about the NSA lawsuit. 
 
In the end I think it is totally fine to respect and celebrate people from all walks including Jobs and I'm happy to see us do this more. 
Well, I hope @wikipedia will stay out of "celebrating" candidates in ongoing political elections, for example. Even if we could surely get lots of RTs and attention out of it ;)
 

The good and the great the capitalist, communist, libertarian or republican and everything in between, above or below: Wikipedia and other Wikimedia projects document them all and I think we can advertise that fact while staying well within our movement mission and values.
Agree, that universal coverage is a great fact to advertise about WP. Not sure a single fact about a single person expresses it fully, though.
 
Almost every great person (or for that matter many great events) has both good and bad whether they be Jobs, Gates, Bush or Stallman (who I'd honestly argue is at least as bad to tweet about for us as jobs but would support). I don't think this post is anywhere close to the line.
OK, while I agreed with Ivan's and Victor's concerns and wouldn't have sent that tweet myself, we can surely move on on this. What's worth discussion thouhg is the general assumption (which my initial post was a response to) that simply because we link to Wikipedia and highlight a fact from it, we are  automatically in the clear. As demonstrated abundantly in the past in the case of certain Mediterranean topics, the general public and large parts of our community don't agree ;)
 

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On Oct 7, 2015, at 04:06, Joe Sutherland <jsutherland@wikimedia.org> wrote:

I think it'd look pretty petty if we were to post something negative about the man. I'm under the impression that it's best to err on the side of being positive/nice unless the person we're posting about is objectively a bad person.

Joe

On 7 October 2015 at 08:32, Tilman Bayer <tbayer@wikimedia.org> wrote:
Well, but we still made a value decision in choosing to highlight a positive fact from his bio that portrays him in a certain light, rather than something about his downsides. I think the man deserves respect, and of course there is a ton of things to learn from Apple's success, but in several ways the values he stands for are indeed diametrically opposed to Wikipedia's.

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:30 PM, Jeff Elder <jelder@wikimedia.org> wrote:
If we're posting links to our content, I think we're on solid ground. People can have all sorts of feelings about Apple and Jobs and still want to know the facts about him.  

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On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:26 PM, Ivan Martínez <galaver@gmail.com> wrote:
I have the same feeling than Victor. Jobs represented a company with some opposed values to our movement perhaps a lot of wikimedians are AppleFans :P

2015-10-05 13:59 GMT-05:00 Victor Grigas <vgrigas@wikimedia.org>:
I'll just say this -
Apple isn't exactly an open-source company. Is that an issue?

On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 2:56 PM, Jeff Elder <jelder@wikimedia.org> wrote:
> You're right! Will dehyphenate and post
>
> Jeff Elder
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> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:55 AM, Joe Sutherland <jsutherland@wikimedia.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> I like it. But isn't it "HP" (no dash)?
>>
>> J
>>
>>
>> On Monday, 5 October 2015, Jeff Elder <jelder@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Jump in there with this?
>>>
>>> When he was 13, Steve Jobs cold-called Bill Hewlett of H-P, who gave him
>>> a summer job. http://buff.ly/1Q1Qmp2 #rememberingstevejobs
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Jeff Elder
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>>> On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 11:24 AM, Michael Guss <mguss@wikimedia.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>
>>>> Social trend right now is remembering Steve Jobs; Wikipedia does as
>>>> well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve_Jobs
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