Thanks Pine - I'm having trouble myself understanding what your trouble is exactly and how it could be resolved, but feel free to follow up offlist. My main goal was to bring that Dutch reaction to Guillaume's post to people's attention.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 11:26 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Tilman, I'm still having trouble with following this train of thought, but in any case it will be interesting to see how the blog post plays out in the socials.
Pine
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:36 AM, Tilman Bayer tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
Pine, I'm not sure why you read a suggestion into this. The blog post is already out (and the social media messages have been taken care of), we'll see what its reception and impact are.
If you read the whole post, the second-to-last paragraph (together with the preceding one on computer-mediated communication) contains some explanations why certain autistic traits - e.g. intensive attention to detail - might be seen as strengths in the context of working on Wikipedia, facilitating positive contributions that benefit the project and its readers. That's what I was referring to, with the hope that this aspect about the upsides of neurodiversity will prevail over negative readings of the post such as in the the link I shared.
On Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 9:28 AM, Pine W wiki.pine@gmail.com wrote:
Tilman, can you explain further what you're suggesting? I would worry about a narrative that tied difficulties in community interactions to an alleged prevalance of Autism-spectrum disorders in the Wikimedia community, and I think you agree with that sentiment, but I'm not sure how this blog post ties into "a corrective for the negative narrative that has been developed about the editing community's attitudes in many places." Can you elaborate?
Thanks, Pine
On Aug 3, 2015 5:33 AM, "Tilman Bayer" tbayer@wikimedia.org wrote:
This thread is veering a bit offtopic ;) but I can't help piling on: Kudos to Guillaume for sharing this, and the talk in Mexico was great too - I'm very glad I went to see it.
Be aware that someone is trying to tie the post to the gender gap discussion, citing the higher incidence of autism in men:
https://edoornbusch.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/wikisoap-autisme-gendergap/ (Google Translate should give the gist; also of the reaction of the editor she diagnosed with autism for reverting or deleting her contributions about jewelry designers
https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overleg_gebruiker:Paul_Brussel#De_fout_ligt_no... ) Without disputing or confirming that particular blogger's account that she may have had unpleasant interactions on the Dutch Wikipedia: It would be unfortunate if Guillaume's call for neurodiversity became an excuse for people to remotely diagnose mental health issues in Wikipedians who correct or delete their contributions (and yes, I realize that it is purposefully and rightfully never called a disorder in Guillaume's post - but in other parts of society we are still far from "autistic" not being perceived a pejorative). On the other hand, Guillaume's post might become very valuable as a corrective for the negative narrative that has been developed about the editing community's attitudes in many places. After all, what's so wrong about an encyclopedia being written by people who are "obsessed with citations, references, and verifiability"?
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 3:32 PM, Katherine Maher kmaher@wikimedia.org wrote:
Chiming in late, but +1 on everything everyone else has said. Really appreciate your sharing this Guillaume. I was sad to have missed it at Wikimania, and thrilled to learn you had written a blog version to share.
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Joe Sutherland jsutherland@wikimedia.org wrote:
Gonna share this on Monday morning for those sweet sweet clix. Great work team.
Joe
On Sunday, 2 August 2015, Andrew Sherman asherman@wikimedia.org wrote: > > I agree as well with James. Guillaume this story is just fantastic. > > +1 to both as well. > > On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 5:53 PM, James Alexander > jalexander@wikimedia.org wrote: >> >> On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 7:30 AM, Guillaume Paumier >> gpaumier@wikimedia.org wrote: >>> >>> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 6:23 PM, Joe Sutherland >>> > jsutherland@wikimedia.org >>> > wrote: >>> > > >>> > > *Twitter (@wikipedia/@wikimedia):* >>> > > • "As you can imagine, realizing at 31 that you are on the >>> > > autism spectrum >>> > > changes your perception dramatically." >>> > > >>> > > https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/31/autistic-wikipedia-life/ >>> > >>> > LGTM like the quote, don't have a great alternative to sneak >>> > in >>> > Guillaume's twitter account as a mention >>> >>> The following twoosh could work: >>> >>> Wikipedian @gpaumier found out at 31 he was autistic: "As you can >>> imagine, it >>> changes your perception dramatically." >>> https://blog.wikimedia.org/2015/07/31/autistic-wikipedia-life/ >>> >>> But it feels a bit self-serving to be the one suggesting it, so >>> I'm >>> also fine >>> with Joe's original proposal. >> >> >> Well it IS aiming to promote you, self-serving is kinda the point >> ;) >> >> both LGTM for what it's worth. >> >> James Alexander >> Community Advocacy >> Wikimedia Foundation >> (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Social-media mailing list >> Social-media@lists.wikimedia.org >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/social-media >> > > > > -- > Andrew Sherman > Digital Communications | Wikimedia Foundation > > E: asherman@wikimedia.org > WMF: ASherman (WMF)
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